The Championship 23/24 Thread

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The 83rd Minute said:
I can see that happening unfortunately.
The annoying way Selles keeps reminding us he wants to be here for the next 10 years, has Ankersen's "failed managers get better" philosophy all over it. Plus of course Selles will be very cheap probably the cheapest in the Championship which is typical SR. We have lost 23 PL games and counting having won just 6. Sunderland just about made it to the play off on GD, losing 13 and winning 18. Saints need a Tony Mowbray, Daniel Farke or a Chris Hughton, managers that have won promotion. People like Selles should be nowhere near SFC.
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Hmmm....I understand your fear, and I do worry that Selles will be able to sell the whole "given a full pre-season, I will be able to implement my philosophy, which I couldn't at the point of taking over" line.

But in some ways, I'd almost rather that than a Hughton style appointment, which is all a little bit jobs for the average boys/Big Sam. If we are going to change manager (and I hope we do), there's no reason why we shouldn't go down a Carrick/Vieira route of a young, up and coming, bright guy (though I'm also sure that Selles considers himself such as well, it just remains to be seen if SR/Wilcox do), rather than tried-and-tested 'useful in the Championship, but you'll get rid of them the minute you get promoted' types.

Ankersen for all his myriad faults doesn't strike me as a short-term fix type.
 
The 83rd Minute said:
SR wasted more money in January than anyone IMO.
Nathan Jones was reportedly on £1.3m as a PL manager and was Ankeresen’s chosen one.
I can’t see SR paying Selles more than that, and we were never going to get Gakpo or Ramos even Ralph knew that.
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But you're implying they won't spend money when that isn't the case.
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
Hmmm....I understand your fear, and I do worry that Selles will be able to sell the whole "given a full pre-season, I will be able to implement my philosophy, which I couldn't at the point of taking over" line.

But in some ways, I'd almost rather that than a Hughton style appointment, which is all a little bit jobs for the average boys/Big Sam. If we are going to change manager (and I hope we do), there's no reason why we shouldn't go down a Carrick/Vieira route of a young, up and coming, bright guy (though I'm also sure that Selles considers himself such as well, it just remains to be seen if SR/Wilcox do), rather than tried-and-tested 'useful in the Championship, but you'll get rid of them the minute you get promoted' types.

Ankersen for all his myriad faults doesn't strike me as a short-term fix type.
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If Selles gets the job that's SR finished. ST renewals will be non existent and we'll just continue our problems in the Champ. He really really has to be binned before/at the end of the season
 
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Clearly Selles isn’t the answer.

I can’t believe it but he actually managed to make us worse than Jones.

We need someone that can gain the players respect and play some attacking football. If SR continue to spend money then we are a good project and should be able to attract a decent calibre of players and managers. But we need a manager with a clear philosophy and way of playing.

Also need players that want to be here and are up for the challenge instead of the absolute pricks that we have now.
 
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tomw24 said:
But you're implying they won't spend money when that isn't the case.
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No, I'm implying that as far as managers go, they have found cheap solutions in Jones and Selles.
I don't deny SR have wasted a lot money, I think that is evident.
 
The 83rd Minute said:
No, I'm implying that as far as managers go, they have found cheap solutions in Jones and Selles.
I don't deny SR have wasted a lot money, I think that is evident.
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Jones wasn't cheap - the compo paid to Luton on top his wages was quite a lot of money. And that's without the pay off to Jones after we sacked him.
 
What did Selles say after the game last night? Something about the club being due to release an agenda for next season. Presumably he means a plan and the word 'agenda' was just the language barrier, but it sounds like the club (rightly) have been preparing for life after the Premier League, and we'll here more about what's in store for the future soon.

The only worrying thing with that is that Selles knows of these plans, so is he in them?
 
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tomw24 said:
Jones wasn't cheap - the compo paid to Luton on top his wages was quite a lot of money. And that's without the pay off to Jones after we sacked him.
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Jones was on £1.3m a year, that's pretty cheap wages for PL standard.
The Luton compo and Jones payoff only seems expensive because his tenure was so short and he was an utter failure at PL level. I agree that Jones should never have been appointed in the first place and that was an expensive, but avoidable mistake.
 
The 83rd Minute said:
Jones was on £1.3m a year, that's pretty cheap wages for PL standard.
The Luton compo and Jones payoff only seems expensive because his tenure was so short and he was an utter failure at PL level. I agree that Jones should never have been appointed in the first place and that was an expensive, but avoidable mistake.
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I honestly don't think they appointed Jones and/or Selles because they were cheap. It was Ankersen trying to be clever and thinking he'd uncovered a diamond, rather than a turd.
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
I honestly don't think they appointed Jones and/or Selles because they were cheap. It was Ankersen trying to be clever and thinking he'd uncovered a diamond, rather than a turd.
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I agree with you about Ankersens trying to be clever and perhaps Ankersen was being clever in his wage negotiations but in the end you get what you pay for and in Jones we got just that. Selles simply got the job because Marsch turned it down.

My point wasn’t about SR spending and wasting money on transfers, that was taken the wrong way, I was replying to SFC about Selles being manager. My point is the level of manager SR is willing to pay for fighting relegation or promotion. So far they have appointed 2 inexperience managers at PL level with wages to match. If SR appoints Selles to be permanent manager next season are they going to give him an improved but expensive contract? I hope SR sack Selles and appoint a manager that has knowledge and experience in winning titles and promotion but that kind of manager will cost money and a lot more in wages than what they paid Jones or Selles. We will know shortly if SR maintain the status quo with Selles.
 
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Saints FC 76 said:
What did Selles say after the game last night? Something about the club being due to release an agenda for next season. Presumably he means a plan and the word 'agenda' was just the language barrier, but it sounds like the club (rightly) have been preparing for life after the Premier League, and we'll here more about what's in store for the future soon.

The only worrying thing with that is that Selles knows of these plans, so is he in them?
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We don't know that, but he would realise that is going to happen for sure and I think we need to prepare for it to be pretty brutal and wide ranging.
 
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Saints FC 76 said:
What did Selles say after the game last night? Something about the club being due to release an agenda for next season. Presumably he means a plan and the word 'agenda' was just the language barrier, but it sounds like the club (rightly) have been preparing for life after the Premier League, and we'll here more about what's in store for the future soon.

The only worrying thing with that is that Selles knows of these plans, so is he in them?
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The only similar experience I have had in the few office jobs I did is the same thing had been said/done and more than a few people who thought they were part of the plan 'moving forward' soon found out they weren't - but the 'plan' wasn't a secret, it's just no one said 'You'll be sacked next month'.

No, I wasn't one of them on any occasion which probably says more about the companies than me.
 
I don't think money will be a major issue for next season (if we don't get promoted straight away it might) as I would expect to be bringing in somewhere between £100-150m in transfers which will buy us a few strategic good quality experienced Championship players to boost the spine of the team especially a striker, central midfield and CB or two
Outs JWP & Lavia £40-50m each, KWP £20-30m, Tella £15-20m, Salisu £15-20m, ABK £10-15m, Che £10-15m plus bits for Orsic, Djenepo, Adarma
Out of contract Theo, Ely and Big Willy will save £7m on the wage bill too
 
Dark Lord SFC said:
I don't think money will be a major issue for next season (if we don't get promoted straight away it might) as I would expect to be bringing in somewhere between £100-150m in transfers which will buy us a few strategic good quality experienced Championship players to boost the spine of the team especially a striker, central midfield and CB or two
Outs JWP & Lavia £40-50m each, KWP £20-30m, Tella £15-20m, Salisu £15-20m, ABK £10-15m, Che £10-15m plus bits for Orsic, Djenepo, Adarma
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ABK will fetch more than 15mill.
 
JWP probably wont leave, Burnley will probably be looking to get Tella on the cheap so they might try for about £5m ? Cant see too much of a queue for ABK, so possibly another £5m or thereabouts ?
 
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