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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

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    Trump is the subject of at least four major investigations relating to his handling of White House documents, the election, the insurrection, and his finances.
    https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/an-overview-donald-trumps-legal-troubles-2023-04-04/
    https://www.businessinsider.com/don...s-updates-2022-7?international=true&r=US&IR=T
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61084161
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/article/tracking-trump-investigations-and-lawsuits/
     
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  2. StJabbo1

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    Meanwhile so who was telling porkies?

    No apologies for reposting
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  3. Onionman

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    And they would say exactly the same about you.
     
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  4. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Speaking of arrests, Nicola Sturgeon's husband has just been picked up by police investigating funding and financing of the SNP.
     
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  5. The Ides of March

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    Quick! We need to find more Tory scandal and ineptness before we hear anything about the SNP!!
     
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  6. thereisonlyoneno7

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    I disagree - I get what you are saying, but i think the only way to really get him out of the picture is to get him convicted of the numerous crimes that he has committed. He may become a 'martyr' to some, but he would anyway.

    What makes me laugh is we all go on about how corrupt our politicians are, but they are angels compared to Trump***, and that isn't me being swayed by the media, that is me being swayed by seeing what he has done.

    EDIT *** Not directed at you, but the general Trump apologists on here.
     
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  7. The Ides of March

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    And we all know who would love to see him incarçerated. None other than De Santis!!!
     
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  8. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Oh god, don’t worry. You know me well enough to know I’m nowhere near a Trump apologist! <laugh>
     
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  9. Onionman

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    The worst part about this for me was that there was almost nothing in the media but this story yesterday. I know it's not in their nature but the news should have stuck to, "...in other news, a seventy-six year old man appeared in court in New York on fraudulent accounting charges... and now here's Bill with a piece about an Idaho hamster that has qualified as an electrician ..."

    Vin
     
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  10. Osvaldorama

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    What evidence do you have of these crimes, that you are so certain?

    You and a few others on here are very guilty of trial by media and ignoring the need for anu actual evidence. It’s so easy to hoodwink you.

    If Trump has committed a crime - fine. I hope he goes to jail for a time commensurate to his crimes. But that has to be proven. People are innocent until proven guilty.
    I see a few celebrating before any real evidence or details emerge. I find it so… childish.

    On that same topic; I see that Andrew Tate has been released after being held for months without any charges. He has been treated disgustingly and they still have no evidence against him.

    Why don’t people wait for courts and evidence instead of making decisions based on propaganda? Its like people let the media tell them whats true without needing any proof.

    “I don’t like his politics, so I hope he goes to jail” is such a strange mindset.
     
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    You do exactly the same thing with Biden :1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down:

    And there is substantial evidence. There is enough evidence to submit over 30 criminal charges. You are right that he gets to have a trial and debate that evidence, but the way to do that is not to insult the judge and his family. That is no way to behave. You get that, right? You get human decency?

    But what is blatant - totally blatant - is the evidence of this man’s immorality goes deeper than deep. He is a lying, cheating misogynist! He paid off a porn star who he had cheated on his wife with to protect his election campaign and hid this from the tax man. He did that. That isn’t even being debated. His defence is he didn’t know it was being done. So there are two outcomes: Trump is a liar or Trump is a dirty, sex obsessed moron.
     
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  12. Onionman

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    hypocrite

    Calling them a crime family without a trial is what you are complaining about with everyone else!
     
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    With me, it is nothing to do with his polítics. You see him.at press conferences bullying, intimidating and belittling journalists. On.TV forums he shouts others down not allowing others to get their point of view across. And De Santis is probably at the forefront at wanting him.found guilty or unable to launch a Presidential.campaign.
     
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  16. thereisonlyoneno7

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    I have no actual evidence, other than the experiences of my daughter living in the US.

    Her husband (and her for a bit) were unwavering Trump fans. Unwavering. They are now a lot, lot cooler on him. She is more on the "well I suppose he is a sexist pig" side, he is more on the "well he did commit some crimes in his taxes, but that isn't too bad". On the insurrection her husband has said that he should have tried to stop it earlier and he let himself and the party down big time there. He won't quite admit that he started it, but thinks he didn't realise the power he had over the people and should have (and could have) stopped it from happening.

    He has realised that the main thing going for Trump was that he paid a lot less tax - something he is beginning to realise that it isn't just Trump that would do that but most Republican leaders.

    It's interesting to me to see how they have flipped from this "Trump is god" to well, there are others that can lead America. To be honest, they are bored of the circus and can see it is more damaging to the US with the circus.

    So like i said, no evidence, but an insight from people that live in Georgia, in a Republican neighbourhood, that watch Fox News.

    If they can begin to question, then maybe there is some truth in it.

    Also, though not illegal in any way, the fact that you cheat on your wife with a porn actress and then pay someone to cover it up isn't really that good. Are those the values to have when you are a leader and an example to others. Again, not illegal what he did (except the tax implications and cover up if proved), but he must have thought it was bad enough to have to try to cover it up.

    The world is a dangerous place with him in it IMO. I don't agree with Biden (I wouldn't probably vote for him if i was over there), but I have said it before and will again that it is refreshing to have someone who is a decent human being in charge and we argue over his policies rather than his outbursts and morals.
     
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  17. StJabbo1

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    I go for both. I thought spaffer was the epitome of self obsessed cheating liars but Donald trumped him.
     
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    I’m fully expecting deafening silence from Os after having his hypocrisy called out - with direct quotes from him.

    I’m sure no one would have as much of a problem with some of his positions - if they were applied consistently. But they aren’t. It’s one rule for the right wingers and their viewpoints and another for any perceived to be of the left and the “MSM”. But that is what you get when you consume media from only a subset of sources all from the same political side
     
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  20. Osvaldorama

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    Why do you believe Biden to be less corrupt and morally outrageous than Trump?:

    - Arresting Trump before the primary is election interference

    - Hiding hunters laptop them removing the story from social media was election interference

    - The entire Russia gate hoax was election interference

    - Deamplifying Trumps tweets was election interference

    - Biden was openly racist in the past

    All of the above is WAY worse than a few sexist comments, in my opinion.

    When you add the fact that Biden family has shady dealings with Ukraine and China, has completely destabilised confidence in the dollar and is spending unlimited money on weapons, I believe Biden is objectively much much worse than Trump
     
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