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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

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    You can see this is just an outpouring of desperate lies, right?
     
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    I hope you are posting this as a case study in Propaganda 101. I mean you certainly talk about propaganda enough

    The impeachments were not hoaxes and this is not election interference. As stated - he has only declared his campaign so that he can make this claim. Being held to account for your crimes is not interference. It is justice and accountability. The justice system is not being weaponised and the mar-a-lago raid was not unconstitutional (otherwise I’m sure he would have sued but instead is likely to be indicted again off the back of it)
     
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    That statement will provide excellent compost because it's 100% horse ****.
     
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    And projection what with all the mentioning of lying and cheating. I mean it is a weird word to keep repeating after being indicted for paying money to keep a story about him cheating on his wife quiet. Almost like gaslighting

    Trouble is - I don’t think he does realise it is an outpouring of desperate lies. All his media sources are reporting or commenting on the claims in that piece as if they are true and serious. His posting only ever come from right wing sources so I don’t believe he consumes anything that provides any kind of balance. You will not how he used trumps own words here “weaponise the justice system” in a post prior to posting this blathering from Trump. So again, I don’t think he realises
     
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    Another point that slipped my mind - isn’t this the guy (and party) who consistently chanted “lock her up” over confidential emails and a server (and very similar issue to one trump also looks likely to be indicted for)

    A party that made Clinton sit for hours of hearings over Benghazi. What was that it not a witch hunt?

    But now it is political persecution and interfering with an election? Now?!

    What about the October surprise from Comey discussing an investigation into Clinton that had a noticeable impact on the polls.

    Or the party who wanted nude photos of a political rival for the presidency readily available on Twitter because they thought it was damage his father in the election. Even though it was against the law. And in the aftermath are conducting a witch hunt of their own to desperately try and use the son to kick up dirt on the father.

    Sure it is fine when it benefits trump and is against democrats. But the other way around? Mercy me it is an outrage
     
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    Trump also just believes that he should get to do crimes. One of the funnier things that has happened in his other criminal cases of late: his lawyers have been forced to turn over documents/testify, under the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege. Attorney-client privilege protects any situation where you discuss with your attorney the things you have done. It just doesn't cover talking about the crimes you're still doing or going to do, and it definitely doesn't cover trying to get your lawyer to actively participate in doing crimes. It's incredibly rare for that exception to come into play; I've read a bunch of former federal prosecutors mention that they've never even considered trying to ask a judge, because you have to be exceptionally stupid to leave evidence that you discussed doing more crimes with the person ostensibly there to keep you from doing crimes.

    Three times now (and counting; there's another few who are potentially in a bad way), Trump has gotten his own lawyers involved in doing crimes such that it breached the nearly-impenetrable attorney-client privilege, because he seems to believe that's what lawyers are for.
     
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    Yes but when the Biden crime family is free, speaker Pelosi is insider trading along with most of the senate and government, Epstein’s client list still not revealed, etc etc…

    To go after a former president for what appears to be a misdemeanour seems utterly insane. (Willing to change my opinion on this, depending on the charges and evidence that is presented).

    If Putin was arresting his political enemies before an election campaign on frivolous charges, I’m sure Vin, Jabbo and the rest of the socialist cult on here would be frothing at the mouth.

    I feel like the people celebrating this don’t fully understand what they are celebrating.
     
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    In other news, WHO have updated their guidance to say that children and young people shouldn’t take the vaccine. Looks like I was right all long.

    Another victory for common sense. If only people had listened to the evidence sooner. Those of you who panicked and accepted the authoritarian vaccination program should be deeply, deeply ashamed. I hope there are arrests when all this is over & I am horrified for those children that were needlessly damaged by vaccine side effects. They are still covering up the numbers as best they can.
     
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    If you read it properly, it says there is now no need for children to be vaccinated. I quote the WHO website: "Primary and booster doses are safe and effective in children and adolescents". They have updated the guidance because Covid is no longer wreaking havoc. The population has built up immunity THROUGH VACCINATION so they have decided there's no real need for children and young adults to get the vaccine as they are deemed low risk to getting seriously ill from covid.
     
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    The Tory policy on immigration?
    I must add that I am not an expert in ant behaviour, but the sentiment is pretty accurate.

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    As ever the actuality is different to the post. Odd that you misquote an organisation you've previously disparaged. Reading the WHO statements Tom refers to reinforces the widely held belief that most of your posts are a load of bollocks that even this socialist moron with an IQ of four can see through.
    Repeating the anti vax crackpot conspiraloon allegations about widespread side effects isn't going to make them anything more than bullshit.
     
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    Yes which is exactly what I’ve been pointing out for two years whilst people on here told me I was crazy.

    “The risk v reward isn’t there for young people” was deemed crazy talk.
     
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    Just apologise to me and admit you made some bad decisions because you were scared. It’s ok
     
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    Get the help you need, but in the meantime thanks for the laugh.
     
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    Os, I think you have abandoned reason and fallen into the pit of certainty. You think vaccines are bad and people you trust are telling you they are bad, so you have stopped looking at the evidence.

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

    The evidence is that vaccines saved a lot of lives. A lot. And people like you would have caused a lot of deaths. A lot. If your need to be right had been replicated across the population then many many people would have died due to selfishness.

    I know you blame vaccines for the suffering of people close to you. I am sorry about that. A good friend of mine had a heart incident after a vaccine dose too. That doesn’t mean the vaccines were bad. They just had some risk.

    I was also against lockdowns. I hated the idea and I think they did a lot of harm. However, looking back I think the issue was we were too slow to go into lockdown and that made them last too long. My opinion has changed over time. That is normal.

    Step out. Read some pro-vaccines websites. Read some fact checking websites. Ask yourself how much you are just looking for your own biases to be supported. I feel worried about you at this point.
     
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    I totally disagree. I am totally fine; you are projecting. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether herd immunity would have been better or worse.

    I have maintained for the whole time that vaccination should be an individual’s choice based on their risk factor. Many on here were saying that was selfish and think of society etc. and falling for the authoritarian dictates.

    Now that the WHO have changed their stance to say it should be evaluated on risk factor too. So I have been right this whole time. I just made that decision before they did.

    I appreciate your concern but I have always been pro vaccine in those that need it (say 60+).

    My opinions are being proven more & more correct over time and with more data, not less.
     
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    Good advice with a link to verifiable evidence of which there is much more given the research into the billions of doses administered.

    If you think for just one minute it will be taken then the phrase "pissing in the wind" comes to mind.
     
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