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Richard Everitt
Richard Norman Everitt (6 December 1978 - 13 August 1994)[1] was a 15-year-old boy who was stabbed to death in London, England, in a racially-motivated attack. Everitt's neighbourhood, Somers Town, had been the site of ethnic tensions. He was murdered by a gang of British Bangladeshis who were seeking revenge against another White British boy. He was not a gang member.

The murderer was not apprehended and members of the gang fled to Bangladesh. Abdul Hai, Badrul Miah and Showat Akbar were tried in 1995.[2] Miah was given a life sentence, with minimum terms of 12 years. Akbar was sentenced to three years in custody for violent disorder. Abdul Hai was acquitted by the jury on the direction of Mrs Justice Steel, the trial judge, at the close of the prosecution case. She ruled that there was no case for him to answer. He left court an innocent man. Abdul Hai was represented by Helena Kennedy QC.[3]

Background[edit]
Somers Town, in the London Borough of Camden, was experiencing urban decay in the early 1990s. Many of its white families had been moved onto newer estates, and the ones who remained lived in poverty and unemployment, and felt in conflict with Bengalis. Bengalis were living in the neighbourhood's worst housing, with problems of overcrowding due to their larger-than-average families.[4]

White youths and Bengali youths respectively chose to attend different schools and youth clubs, and interracial relationships were shunned.[5] Hate crimes occurred in the area, with statistics showing that they were predominantly against Bengalis: white locals claimed that this was from exaggerated reports by Bengalis in order to achieve better housing, as well as the police ignoring racial motivations in crimes against white people.[6] Bengalis said that their complaints were going unheard.[5]

Everitt attended South Camden Community School, where the ethnic tensions continued, although he was not involved in them. His mother had previously complained when he was allegedly threatened with a knife by an Asian pupil.[5]

Rosemary Harris, an anthropologist from nearby University College London, researched Somers Town's ethnic unrest in the early 1990s. She documented gangs of white, black and Asian origin, and concluded that the unrest was not caused by external political extremists but rather the playground rivalries of teenagers. She observed a discussion between Everitt's parents and a teacher after he was attacked by a Bangladeshi group, weeks before his murder occurred.[7] Harris said that Camden Council were uninterested in the research when it emerged that the unrest was not solely due to white racism, and said that school staff were fearful of disciplining Bangladeshis.[8]

A local Asian police officer said that the police were hesitant to see Somers Town's gang problem as race-related, and preferred to erroneously consider it motivated by rivalry between different estates.[8]

Victim[edit]
Richard Norman Everitt was born on 6 December 1978 in Camden, London to Norman and Mandy Everitt.[9][10][11] His family were native to North London and moved to the Somers Town Estate in 1986. Everitt had two older siblings: Daniel and Lucy.[10] His hobbies included building bikes, football, and playing on his Sega Megadrive.[12] In court Everitt was described as "well-liked, very kind and someone who would do anything for anybody".[13]

Murder[edit]
On the night of 13 August 1994, Everitt returned from playing football and went to buy food with his friends. They returned with the food in a bag, walking along Midland Road next to St Pancras railway station and then turning onto Brill Place between 21:00 and 22:00. A gang of Asian youths had set off from the Euston area towards Somers Town. The prosecution noted that the gang represented "a danger to any vulnerable white youth whom they happened to encounter". The gang first surrounded a 16-year-old boy on Goldington Street, punched him, pursued him and attempted to stab him in the back, with the victim suffering a small knife wound. One of the gang members was heard to shout "Oi, you ****, you're going to die". The gang then moved south and then west along Brill Place.[13]

Everitt was with two other white boys on the night of his murder, who were identified in court as PP 9 (aged 14) and MF (aged 17). The Asian gang had initially been walking away from the boys, but upon spotting them they turned around. MF was headbutted by a member of the gang, but managed to run away and escape along with PP.[13] Everitt was caught and stabbed in the back with a seven-inch kitchen knife in his shoulder blades, piercing his heart. His friends notified his parents, who came to him as he was carried into an ambulance. Everitt died at the hospital.[14]

Legal proceedings[edit]
During the investigations, a local Asian businessman offered a reward of £1,000 for whoever would name the suspects.[8] Eleven men were arrested and bailed shortly after Everitt was stabbed.[15]

The trial began on 5 October 1995 at the Old Bailey. On 1 November, Badrul Miah was found guilty of conspiring to murder Everitt and was given a life sentence with a minimum of twelve years in prison; Showat Akbar was found guilty of violent disorder and sentenced to three years' youth detention. Their gang had been seeking revenge on a white teenager suspected of stealing their jewellery, and Miah boasted that he had "stabbed up a white boy". Miah and Akbar were deemed by the judge to have been the ringleaders of the attack, but she stated that the identity of the killer was unknown as some of the gang members had fled to Bangladesh.[16] The judge ruled that there was no case to answer against the third defendant Abdul Hai who subsequently was elected as a councillor in the Borough of Camden.[17]

Groups such as Liberty and the Society of Black Lawyers campaigned for the immediate release of the two convicts, believing that the crime was not racist but the judicial process was.[8] Miah's legal team said that they had been tipped off by a partner of a juror that the jury may have presumed guilt, or found him guilty for murder without knowing that he was old enough to be jailed for life. This appeal was rejected by the Court of Appeal in November 1996 and the European Court of Human Rights in July 1998, as the Contempt of Court Act 1981 means that no details of a jury's deliberation can be disclosed.[18][19]

In April 2006, Miah was given four days' unsupervised release from HM Prison Blantyre House in Kent to attend his sister's wedding in Sussex.[20] He was released in 2008.[8]

Aftermath[edit]
Everitt's murder was received with shock in Somers Town. A Bengali teenager told The Independent that "The boy seems to have had nothing to do with trouble. We are so shocked that Bengali boys could do this. It is the innocent increasingly who are suffering".[5] The Deputy Headmaster of Everitt's school told the press that cohesion was generally good at the school.[5] Jalal Uddin, a Bengali activist, spoke of his fears that revenge attacks could continue perpetually.[6]

A halal butcher's was firebombed, and white gangs attacked Bengalis.[21] Bengalis told family members to stay indoors, and the police increased their presence in order to combat the gangs.[5] A white gang member said that he would not accept support from the British National Party because "the BNP comes down here, gets everyone whipped up and then when the trouble starts we get it and they run away".[5]

After the convictions, Everitt's family were abused by Bengali neighbours, and moved to Essex before settling in northern England. His mother successfully campaigned for stronger sentences for knife crime.[14] In correspondence with the author Michael Collins, she said that "I know it's a terrible thing to say, but I sometimes wish that Richard had been murdered by a white boy. Then we'd have had to deal with the murder but not the nightmare of everything else that followed".[8]

Frank Dobson, the local Labour MP, denied a racial motive and said that suggestions of such would inflame the situation.[8]

The murder was mentioned by India Today as attributable to a decline in values among British Asian youth, who were previously considered a model minority but were becoming increasingly involved with drugs and gangs.[22]

In February 2012, politician Richard Barnbrook (then independent, formerly BNP) raised the issue of Everitt's murder and that of Terry Gregory (2003) in the London Assembly. He questioned why 23 police officers were still investigating the murder of Stephen Lawrence, who was black, yet none were assigned to finding the killers of the aforementioned white teenagers, suggesting there were "hate crime double standards". Mayor Boris Johnson said that both cases were solved and neither were racist.[23] In a follow-up statement the following month, Barnbrook said that only one person had been convicted for Everitt's death (there were actually two) and nobody for Gregory's; Johnson replied that both cases had gone to court and judgement was made on the evidence available.[24]

Memorials and legacy[edit]
Diana, Princess of Wales privately laid flowers at the site of Everitt's murder.[8] His funeral took place on 14 October 1994 at St Mary the Virgin Roman Catholic Church.[25][26]

A memorial plaque paying tribute to Everitt was placed on a wall in Somers Town at the location of his murder. It was later moved to the nearby Purchase Street open space, near Brill Place.[27][9] A memorial bench was also located at the site, the inscription on it includes the text "Death is nothing at all. I have only slipped away into the next room."[1]

In June 2020, the plaque and bench were moved without prior notification of Everitt's family, as the council-owned land had been sold to private developers.[28] Due to the George Floyd protests, the borough council suggested renaming several properties, and Everitt's older brother petitioned for a council housing tower named after the British colonist Cecil Rhodes to be renamed for Everitt.[28]

In response to Everitt's murder, the KXL Camden United project was founded using football to bring young people together. The team is for players aged 15 to 19.[29]

Socialist Workers Party activist Alan Walter launched Camden Action Now alongside Everitt's parents, offering youth activities and aiming to unite the community

Murder of Kriss Donald


Kriss Donald (2 July 1988 – 15 March 2004) was a 15-year-old white Scottish boy who was kidnapped and murdered in Glasgow in 2004 by a gang of British men of Pakistani origin, some of whom fled to Pakistan after the crime.[1][2][3][4] Daanish Zahid, Imran Shahid, Zeeshan Shahid and Mohammed Faisal Mustaq were later found guilty of racially motivated murder and sentenced to life imprisonment.[2][3] A fifth man, Zahid Mohammed, pleaded guilty to kidnapping, assault and lying to police and was sentenced to five years in prison.[5] He later went on to testify against the other four at their trials.[6]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald
 
Who'd have thought it? A little bit of Brexit sense from the Daily Telegraph.....

The Tory party is dying on the cross of hard Brexit

Story by Jeremy Warner • Tuesday

Brexit isn't working. This was the subtext for one of the most curious attempts at Brexit reconciliation yet ventured – last week's cross-party “summit” of leavers and remainers at the 17th-century Ditchley Park country house in Oxfordshire.

You don't have to accept the spurious precision of recent attempts to estimate the damage done by Brexit to the UK economy – the latest from a Bank of England ratesetter to the effect that it has cost £1,000 per household in lost investment – to know that the glorious cause is in a lot of trouble.

Brexit hasn't delivered as promised. That's a fact. And how to make it work better remains as elusive as ever. Having taken back control, neither the Government nor Opposition seemingly know what to do with it.

Even agreeing on what the “national interest” might be in this regard – the vainglorious purpose of last week's conflab – is these days a virtually impossible challenge.

The more everyone quarrels, the more it dooms the governing Tory Party to electoral oblivion. Having led us into it, the Conservative Party unambiguously owns the property, however much true believers might like to blame others for its now manifest disappointments.

Oddly unaware of the irony, the purists have become part of the very same British disease they complain of in others – that of excusing themselves for failings by blaming someone else, in this case, some kind of imagined, deep state, establishment conspiracy.

Whether the assembled at Ditchley Park – the levelling up secretary Michael Gove, New Labour architect Peter Mandelson, and recently sacked Treasury permanent secretary Sir Tom Scholar, among them – came to any conclusion is unreported. Yet somehow I doubt it, for other than to row back on the particularly “hard” form of Brexit the Johnson government engineered, answers are far from obvious.

This is a definite no, no for the Tory right, which would regard it as a sell out, and – theoretically at least – it has also been ruled out by the Labour opposition. The Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, has committed to staying outside both the EU's single market and its customs union, terrified as he still is of further alienating voters in former red wall constituencies.

Yet it is the Tories that have most to fear. Once upon a time, the promise of getting Brexit done was electoral gold. But now delivered, the attractions have faded, once again proving the old adage that it is better to travel hopefully than to actually arrive.

As it is, the Prime Minister's predicament is reminiscent of the schisms that tore the Tory Party apart under John Major in the mid-1990s. This is meant to be the party of enterprise and growth, yet they spend their time obsessing over Europe. Now, as then, the business community looks on in horror – and in so doing finds itself drawn ever more closely to a reformed Labour Party, back then freeing itself of its militant tendency and today of the curse of Corbynism.

But let us be clear. At root, Brexit was a vote for sovereignty, not for the economy. That it has so far failed on the latter should come as no surprise. There was always bound to be a trade-off between the two; the greater the sovereignty claimed, the more it would damage Britain's relationship with its largest trading partner – the rest of Europe.

These concerns were widely aired at the time of the referendum, and then again in the subsequent interminable political debate over what form of exit Britain should adopt, but went unheeded.

Boris Johnson said he was in favour of both having cake and eating it; when warned by commercial lobbies that this would not be possible, he famously said “f… business”. This he proceeded to do. Not least the City, which is fast losing its position as Europe's de facto financial centre.

EU negotiators were left astonished when at every turn in the trade talks, sovereignty was automatically prioritised over the economy. It was as if UK negotiators were deliberately trying to harm the commercial interest in blind pursuit of impractical isolationism.

In the event, the triumvirate of promises made on the campaign trail have all fallen flat. More money for the NHS? If there ever was any, it's not made a blind bit of difference. The NHS's problems go much deeper than lack of resources, and in any case have virtually nothing to do with membership of the European Union. In no small measure, current staff shortages are in fact a direct consequence of Brexit.

As for better control of immigration, despite the new immigration regime, the overall numbers have continued to soar. It's just the makeup which has changed. Take students: the influx from Europe has plummeted, but this has been more than made up for by a surge in numbers from China, the rest of the Far East, Nigeria, and particularly India.

As advocated by the Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, we could clamp down on that intake if we wanted, but it would be curtains for the charade of one of Britain's most successful industries – tertiary education. I say charade, because in many cases the consequent degrees are bought, not earned through study.

I doubt that those who saw migration as a Brexit issue were voting for today's reality – that migrants from Europe would simply be replaced by those from the Sub-Continent and Africa.

Then finally there was the promise that abandoning the protectionist, walled garden of the EU would free the UK up to pursue the growth markets of the future.

Well, there has admittedly been some growth in trade with the rest of the world, but little which can directly be attributed to Brexit freedoms.

Those few, genuinely new free trade deals that have since been signed are merely a triumph of presentation over substance. In at least one case, they were downright disadvantageous.

Foreign negotiators have ruthlessly taken advantage of the Government's needy want for anything that might be passed off as a Brexit dividend.

It's a long game, the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg insist, and perhaps he's right. But it's been nearly seven years now, which is quite long enough to show some gain. In the long run, we are all dead, said John Maynard Keynes. “Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task, if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is long past the ocean is flat again”. Quite so.

It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that a softening up of Brexit is coming, whatever the politicians say to the contrary. There is only so long you can keep beating your head against the wall.

Brexit cannot and should not be undone, but it can be made more comfortable. What we have at the moment is a bed of nails. Unfortunately, the Tories are likely to pay a heavy price for making it.
 

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Murder of Kriss Donald


Kriss Donald (2 July 1988 – 15 March 2004) was a 15-year-old white Scottish boy who was kidnapped and murdered in Glasgow in 2004 by a gang of British men of Pakistani origin, some of whom fled to Pakistan after the crime.[1][2][3][4] Daanish Zahid, Imran Shahid, Zeeshan Shahid and Mohammed Faisal Mustaq were later found guilty of racially motivated murder and sentenced to life imprisonment.[2][3] A fifth man, Zahid Mohammed, pleaded guilty to kidnapping, assault and lying to police and was sentenced to five years in prison.[5] He later went on to testify against the other four at their trials.[6]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald

Remember that one as well….they tortured him to death so I believe.
 
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Remember that one as well….they tortured him to death so I believe.

Horrible ****s...

Donald was taken on a 200-mile journey to Dundee and back while his kidnappers made phone calls looking for a house to take him to. Having no success at this, they returned to Glasgow and took him to the Clyde Walkway, near Celtic Football Club's training ground.[8][10] There, they held his arms (ascertained due to an absence of defensive wounds) and stabbed him multiple times. He sustained internal injuries to three arteries, one of his lungs, his liver and a kidney. He was doused in petrol and set on fire as he bled to death.[8][9][13]

Don't know how much airtime it got down there, but it was big news up here...although the BBC were criticised for their lack of coverage...

Peter Fahy, spokesman of race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said that the media as a whole tended to under-report the racist murders of white people, stating "it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men".[25
 
Horrible ****s...

Donald was taken on a 200-mile journey to Dundee and back while his kidnappers made phone calls looking for a house to take him to. Having no success at this, they returned to Glasgow and took him to the Clyde Walkway, near Celtic Football Club's training ground.[8][10] There, they held his arms (ascertained due to an absence of defensive wounds) and stabbed him multiple times. He sustained internal injuries to three arteries, one of his lungs, his liver and a kidney. He was doused in petrol and set on fire as he bled to death.[8][9][13]

Don't know how much airtime it got down there, but it was big news up here...although the BBC were criticised for their lack of coverage...

Peter Fahy, spokesman of race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said that the media as a whole tended to under-report the racist murders of white people, stating "it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men".[25

I would suggest it got little or no MSM coverage down here……
 
Ukraine war: Zelensky rules out territory deal with Putin in BBC interview

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has ruled out giving up any of his country's territory in a potential peace deal with Russia.

In a BBC interview to mark a year since Russia's full-scale invasion, he warned conceding land would mean Russia could "keep coming back", while Western weapons would bring peace closer.

Mr Zelensky also said a predicted spring offensive had already begun.

"Russian attacks are already happening from several directions," he said.

He does, however, believe Ukraine's forces can keep resisting Russia's advance until they are able to launch a counter-offensive - although he repeated his calls for more military aid from the West.

"Of course, modern weapons speed up peace. Weapons are the only language Russia understands," Mr Zelensky told the BBC.

He met UK and EU leaders last week in a bid to bolster international support and to ask for modern arms to defend his country. When Ukraine's president asked for modern fighter jets, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said "nothing is off the table".

But Kyiv has become increasingly frustrated with the speed with which Western weapons have arrived. Deliveries of battle tanks - promised last month by a swathe of Western countries, including Germany, the US and the UK - are still thought to be weeks away from arriving on the battlefield.

President Zelensky also addressed a threat by Belarus leader Alexander Lukashenko to wage war alongside Russian troops from his territory if a single Ukrainian soldier crossed the border.

"I hope [Belarus] won't join [the war]," he said. "If it does, we will fight and we will survive." Allowing Russia to use Belarus as a staging post for an attack again would be a "huge mistake", he added.

Russian forces launched part of their full-scale invasion from Belarus 12 months ago. They drove south towards Ukraine's capital Kyiv but were fought back and made to retreat within weeks, after suffering heavy casualties.

When asked if he was surprised by Russia's tactics in the war, Mr Zelensky described them as "valueless".

"The way they destroyed everything. If their soldiers received [and carried out] those orders, that means they share those same values."

Ukrainian data released this week suggested Russian troops in Ukraine were dying in greater numbers this month than at any time since the first week of their invasion. The figures cannot be verified, but the UK's Ministry of Defence said the trends were "likely accurate".

"Today, our survival is our unity," said Mr Zelensky on how he thought the war will end. "I believe Ukraine is fighting for its survival." His country was moving towards Europe economically, as well as through its values, he said.

"We chose this path. We want security guarantees. Any territorial compromises would make us weaker as a state."

"It's not about compromise itself," he said. "Why would we be afraid of that? We have millions of compromises in life every day.

"The question is with whom? With Putin? No. Because there's no trust. Dialogue with him? No. Because there's no trust."
 
Ukraine war: Zelensky rules out territory deal with Putin in BBC interview

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has ruled out giving up any of his country's territory in a potential peace deal with Russia.

In a BBC interview to mark a year since Russia's full-scale invasion, he warned conceding land would mean Russia could "keep coming back", while Western weapons would bring peace closer.

Mr Zelensky also said a predicted spring offensive had already begun.

"Russian attacks are already happening from several directions," he said.

He does, however, believe Ukraine's forces can keep resisting Russia's advance until they are able to launch a counter-offensive - although he repeated his calls for more military aid from the West.

"Of course, modern weapons speed up peace. Weapons are the only language Russia understands," Mr Zelensky told the BBC.

He met UK and EU leaders last week in a bid to bolster international support and to ask for modern arms to defend his country. When Ukraine's president asked for modern fighter jets, UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said "nothing is off the table".

But Kyiv has become increasingly frustrated with the speed with which Western weapons have arrived. Deliveries of battle tanks - promised last month by a swathe of Western countries, including Germany, the US and the UK - are still thought to be weeks away from arriving on the battlefield.

President Zelensky also addressed a threat by Belarus leader Alexander Lukashenko to wage war alongside Russian troops from his territory if a single Ukrainian soldier crossed the border.

"I hope [Belarus] won't join [the war]," he said. "If it does, we will fight and we will survive." Allowing Russia to use Belarus as a staging post for an attack again would be a "huge mistake", he added.

Russian forces launched part of their full-scale invasion from Belarus 12 months ago. They drove south towards Ukraine's capital Kyiv but were fought back and made to retreat within weeks, after suffering heavy casualties.

When asked if he was surprised by Russia's tactics in the war, Mr Zelensky described them as "valueless".

"The way they destroyed everything. If their soldiers received [and carried out] those orders, that means they share those same values."

Ukrainian data released this week suggested Russian troops in Ukraine were dying in greater numbers this month than at any time since the first week of their invasion. The figures cannot be verified, but the UK's Ministry of Defence said the trends were "likely accurate".

"Today, our survival is our unity," said Mr Zelensky on how he thought the war will end. "I believe Ukraine is fighting for its survival." His country was moving towards Europe economically, as well as through its values, he said.

"We chose this path. We want security guarantees. Any territorial compromises would make us weaker as a state."

"It's not about compromise itself," he said. "Why would we be afraid of that? We have millions of compromises in life every day.

"The question is with whom? With Putin? No. Because there's no trust. Dialogue with him? No. Because there's no trust."
Zelensky won't be happy until he gets nuclear weapons from the west
 
Zelensky won't be happy until he gets nuclear weapons from the west

Ukraine had nuclear weapons. They gave them up in exchange for security assurances from the West and Russia that they wouldn't be attacked. Guess how that worked out?
 
I know it has moved on to other topics, but as this thread was started to discuss Brexit just under eight years ago, thought I'd post this here;

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Have to admit, it is clearly a very one sided perspective, but some pretty shocking stats in there. I find it upsetting and unjust that whilst big business have the resources and can afford to relocate to other countries, it is the small business, often family run or sole traders who have been hit hardest, and seen their customer base disappear.
 
Serbia nationalist protests spike tensions over Russia
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Police blocked far-right leader Damjan Knezevic as he and other protesters tried to storm the presidency



Pro-Russian activists in Serbia joined nationalist protesters outside the presidency this week, in the latest indication of rising Russian influence.

Chanting "no surrender" and "treason", they threatened to riot if Serbia backed an EU plan to normalise relations with Kosovo.

President Alexander Vucic denounced the protesters as "anti-Serbian".

The government said it did not believe Moscow stoked the protests but the war has heightened tensions in Belgrade.

Death threats were made towards the president if he signed a deal on Kosovo and three men have been charged with calling for a violent change of Serbia's constitutional order.

Among them is Serbian far-right leader Damjan Knezevic, who organised the protests. He has publicly backed Russia's Wagner mercenary group, which has played a big role in Russia's war in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64674133
 
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