Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

[Prehab26]

You have to look past the first statement. Observe -

I'd help people more during the energy crisis. How? Don't know.
I'd change the windfall tax. How? Not telling you.
I'd have a different strategy to Rwanda. What is it? I'll reveal that when it's the right time.

Vote for me, I'm telling you everything you want to hear. No idea how to implement it like, but vote for me.

Eh?

Starmer and Labour have said repeatedly that windfall tax was needed. Tories said it wasn't. They then introduced the exact same policy labour suggested.

They said they would use this money to provide payments and cap the cost at 2500 a year. Tories said no. They then implemented it.

Not sure what you're waffling on about. Tories have literally implemented labours clear policy.

You must be desperate to not vote labour as you're literally ignoring stone cold truths.

 

[The Exile II]

Eh?

Starmer and Labour have said repeatedly that windfall tax was needed. Tories said it wasn't. They then introduced the exact same policy labour suggested.

They said they would use this money to provide payments and cap the cost at 2500 a year. Tories said no. They then implemented it.

Not sure what you're waffling on about. Tories have literally implemented labours clear policy.

You must be desperate to not vote labour as you're literally ignoring stone cold truths.

I'm desperate for Labour to be more that just slightly less **** than the Tories.

 

[Prehab26]

I'm desperate for Labour to be more that just slightly less **** than the Tories.

If you think that labour are still ****er than the Tories you havnt been watching and you are ignoring clear facts.

 

[COYCS]

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Ahh! The lesser spotted Politician bird sometimes spotted around Westminster, but soon to be moved to London Zoo where they belong.

 

[Montysoptician]

You have to look past the first statement. Observe -

I'd help people more during the energy crisis. How? Don't know.
I'd change the windfall tax. How? Not telling you.
I'd have a different strategy to Rwanda. What is it? I'll reveal that when it's the right time.

Vote for me, I'm telling you everything you want to hear. No idea how to implement it like, but vote for me.

The Tories stealing Labour's policies isn't something to be feared - every one they steal is an opportunity.

I don't know where you get your information from but it isn't that hard to find the truth if you want an accurate account of what is happening.

Just to help you out I have posted your questions and answers but included the actual answers that you may have missed.

I'd help people more during the energy crisis. How? Don't know.

By introducing a energy cap of £2500 paid for by a windfall tax of 10% on excess profits back dated to January 2022 which would raise £8bn.

I'd change the windfall tax. How? Not telling you.

There wasn’t a windfall tax before Labour suggested it. They suggested the windfall tax, Boris Johnson said it was unworkable and ridiculed the idea before making an embarrassing U-turn by introducing it last January.

I'd have a different strategy to Rwanda. What is it? I'll reveal that when it's the right time

Labour have suggested that the government scrap the Rwanda Scheme (the government have already paid £140m and to date no one has been sent to Rwanda, if anyone is sent there, we will be charged more to accommodate them.
Labour have also said that they would renegotiate international deals such as Dublin 3 and the Sandhurst Agreement which the government scrapped, this would allow genuine refugees to be processed remotely, provide safe routes and reduce the numbers crossing the channel by illegal methods.

It's worth mentioning that Rwanda have a capacity to process 500 migrants per year, to date 39,430 migrants have crossed the channel this year so if anyone thinks Rwanda is a good idea, do the maths.

 

[polyphemus]

Policies are not like the words and music to pop songs.
They do NOT become the property of the originator.
Once out in the open, they are Public Property.

So, if a sensible one crops up, and any other party, looks at it, runs it past their 'in house expert' and PR department, and discovers it would work, be good for the Country and, hopefully, be popular, then they are free to use it.
And if this policy comes from The Opposition who are calling for it to be implemented, and it is, does this not say that The Government is LISTENING? 

I have been mildly interested in Politics for almost seventy years, and for most of that time there has been a Tory Government.

When we have had a Labour Government it has always, if my memory serves, been AFTER the party has moved from left to Centre, politically.
Hugh Gaitskill, fought against Clause Four and Harold Wilson carried this forward and ignored his left wing.
Jim Callaghan carried on Wilson's policies but wasn't in the same class as a politician and lost his Party to the militant left.
First Kinnock, started to clear out this destructive element, then John Smith put common sense at the top of the agenda, leaving a clear run for Blair to take over the central ground.
With great good luck, the Tory Party then appointed some odd leaders, like Ian Duncan Smith, who were unelectable.
We have had a long running Tory Government, not because the population liked and trusted them, but because Labour had once again let their Loony Left appear to be in charge.
The frightens the 'floating voters'.

Like him or not, Sir Kier is TRYING to move his Party towards The Centre.
Many of his MP's seem not to see the sense in this or perhaps they prefer to be in opposition where they can float their fantasy policies and do no harm.

Meanwhile, people like me look on with wry amusement, and occasional bouts of despair.

 

[Montysoptician]

Policies are not like the words and music to pop songs.
They do NOT become the property of the originator.
Once out in the open, they are Public Property.

So, if a sensible one crops up, and any other party, looks at it, runs it past their 'in house expert' and PR department, and discovers it would work, be good for the Country and, hopefully, be popular, then they are free to use it.
And if this policy comes from The Opposition who are calling for it to be implemented, and it is, does this not say that The Government is LISTENING? 

I have been mildly interested in Politics for almost seventy years, and for most of that time there has been a Tory Government.

When we have had a Labour Government it has always, if my memory serves, been AFTER the party has moved from left to Centre, politically.
Hugh Gaitskill, fought against Clause Four and Harold Wilson carried this forward and ignored his left wing.
Jim Callaghan carried on Wilson's policies but wasn't in the same class as a politician and lost his Party to the militant left.
First Kinnock, started to clear out this destructive element, then John Smith put common sense at the top of the agenda, leaving a clear run for Blair to take over the central ground.
With great good luck, the Tory Party then appointed some odd leaders, like Ian Duncan Smith, who were unelectable.
We have had a long running Tory Government, not because the population liked and trusted them, but because Labour had once again let their Loony Left appear to be in charge.
The frightens the 'floating voters'.

Like him or not, Sir Kier is TRYING to move his Party towards The Centre.
Many of his MP's seem not to see the sense in this or perhaps they prefer to be in opposition where they can float their fantasy policies and do no harm.

Meanwhile, people like me look on with wry amusement, and occasional bouts of despair.

Great post, my interest in politics isn't quite as long as yours but I am getting there

 

[DH4]

Ahh! The lesser spotted Politician bird sometimes spotted around Westminster, but soon to be moved to London Zoo where they belong.

Actually it is an Ostrich (Torius Apologistus) with it's head in the sand

 

[The Exile II]

If you think that labour are still ****er than the Tories you havnt been watching and you are ignoring clear facts.

We don't know that - that's the problem.
The clear facts are that the Tories are ****e. It's also clear that Labour aren't giving us enough evidence that they're better. They're still locked into the thinking that they can scream about evil Tories all the way to Downing Street without revealing very much about what they'd do.
Remember the free broadband pledge, for example. Chucked into the manifesto six weeks before the election, pulled to pieces, played right into the tories' hands - not thought through, no plan b etc. Easy points to score
If it had been introduced a year before, say, there's time to adapt the policy in response to public criticism in time for a transparently fully thought through proposal to go in the eventual manifesto. The process is easily defensible because it's so open and consultative.

The old ways work to Labour's disadvantage. So change how it's done.

 

[FellTop]

I don't know where you get your information from but it isn't that hard to find the truth if you want an accurate account of what is happening.

Just to help you out I have posted your questions and answers but included the actual answers that you may have missed.

I'd help people more during the energy crisis. How? Don't know.

By introducing a energy cap of £2500 paid for by a windfall tax of 10% on excess profits back dated to January 2022 which would raise £8bn.

I'd change the windfall tax. How? Not telling you.

There wasn’t a windfall tax before Labour suggested it. They suggested the windfall tax, Boris Johnson said it was unworkable and ridiculed the idea before making an embarrassing U-turn by introducing it last January.

I'd have a different strategy to Rwanda. What is it? I'll reveal that when it's the right time

Labour have suggested that the government scrap the Rwanda Scheme (the government have already paid £140m and to date no one has been sent to Rwanda, if anyone is sent there, we will be charged more to accommodate them.
Labour have also said that they would renegotiate international deals such as Dublin 3 and the Sandhurst Agreement which the government scrapped, this would allow genuine refugees to be processed remotely, provide safe routes and reduce the numbers crossing the channel by illegal methods.

It's worth mentioning that Rwanda have a capacity to process 500 migrants per year, to date 39,430 migrants have crossed the channel this year so if anyone thinks Rwanda is a good idea, do the maths.

I believe Labour do propose policies but that they lack any sort of coherence. That is just my opinion though.

Genuine question. Do you think they have any chance of renogiating the Dublin regulation? I find it hard to see what is in it for the EU but it is a nice idea. I just think it is oh so easy for parties of any side to say we will renogtiate this deal, but when it comes to doing it...

 

[The Exile II]

Can you show me how that black hole (which most suggest it is a number other than £60bn) is only down to the mini budget. It was obviosly disastrous, b

I believe Labour do propose policies but that they lack any sort of coherence. That is just my opinion though.

Genuine question. Do you think they have any chance of renogiating the Dublin regulation? I find it hard to see what is in it for the EU but it is a nice idea. I just think it is oh so easy for parties of any side to say we will renogtiate this deal, but when it comes to doing it...

That's my point really. It's being able to answer the third and fourth supplementary question, having the depth of policy, considering the effects of decision A on the options for decision B.

 

[FellTop]

Policies are not like the words and music to pop songs.
They do NOT become the property of the originator.
Once out in the open, they are Public Property.

So, if a sensible one crops up, and any other party, looks at it, runs it past their 'in house expert' and PR department, and discovers it would work, be good for the Country and, hopefully, be popular, then they are free to use it.
And if this policy comes from The Opposition who are calling for it to be implemented, and it is, does this not say that The Government is LISTENING? 

I have been mildly interested in Politics for almost seventy years, and for most of that time there has been a Tory Government.

When we have had a Labour Government it has always, if my memory serves, been AFTER the party has moved from left to Centre, politically.
Hugh Gaitskill, fought against Clause Four and Harold Wilson carried this forward and ignored his left wing.
Jim Callaghan carried on Wilson's policies but wasn't in the same class as a politician and lost his Party to the militant left.
First Kinnock, started to clear out this destructive element, then John Smith put common sense at the top of the agenda, leaving a clear run for Blair to take over the central ground.
With great good luck, the Tory Party then appointed some odd leaders, like Ian Duncan Smith, who were unelectable.
We have had a long running Tory Government, not because the population liked and trusted them, but because Labour had once again let their Loony Left appear to be in charge.
The frightens the 'floating voters'.

Like him or not, Sir Kier is TRYING to move his Party towards The Centre.
Many of his MP's seem not to see the sense in this or perhaps they prefer to be in opposition where they can float their fantasy policies and do no harm.

Meanwhile, people like me look on with wry amusement, and occasional bouts of despair.

What a tremendous post this is. Good trot through of political toing and froing. More to come over the next 2 years.

 

[FellTop]

Though to be fair to Liz Truss, it only took her a couple of weeks to create a £60 billion black hole in the economy

I asked about this the other day. The papers keep saying the black hole is a result of the mini budget. But when you delve a bit deeper it doesnt appear to be the case. It has contributed, but not solely, and perhaps not even in the majority. How is it only down to the mini budget? What are the numbers?

 

[polyphemus]

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A sadly typical posting.

The ostrich does NOT stick his head in the sand.

They do however sometimes poke about in it to check that their eggs are OK.

Rather like a Tory Government digging into Labour policies to see if there is some good there.

 

[DH4]

I asked about this the other day. The papers keep saying the black hole is a result of the mini budget. But when you delve a bit deeper it doesnt appear to be the case. It has contributed, but not solely, and perhaps not even in the majority. How is it only down to the mini budget? What are the numbers?

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[The Exile II]

Andrew Bridgen in a bit of bother for breaching lobbying rules.

The punishment? Three day suspension.

 

[polyphemus]

I asked about this the other day. The papers keep saying the black hole is a result of the mini budget. But when you delve a bit deeper it doesnt appear to be the case. It has contributed, but not solely, and perhaps not even in the majority. How is it only down to the mini budget? What are the numbers?

As I understand it, but have no figures to prove anything either way, this figure was claimed soon after Dizzie Lizzie's infamous Mini Budget.

You will recall that the Currency Market went into panic mode, Stirling sank and Government borrowing rates rose substantially.
This figure was only ever an estimate as to the cost.

Something approaching sanity having returned to the market following Lizzie being sent to The Back Benches, MOST of the damage has been reversed in that it never happend.
Some damage remains, Fixed rate mortgages for instance are higher still, (I believe), but in general the repair job has worked to a great extent.

Of course we are going to have a more thought out 'Budget' soon.

The Press are forecasting higher taxes to reduce Government borrowing and higher Interest Rares to curb inflation.

I don't have a crystal ball so make of that lot what you will.

 

[FellTop]

As I understand it, but have no figures to prove anything either way, this figure was claimed soon after Dizzie Lizzie's infamous Mini Budget.

You will recall that the Currency Market went into panic mode, Stirling sank and Government borrowing rates rose substantially.
This figure was only ever an estimate as to the cost.

Something approaching sanity having returned to the market following Lizzie being sent to The Back Benches, MOST of the damage has been reversed in that it never happend.
Some damage remains, Fixed rate mortgages for instance are higher still, (I believe), but in general the repair job has worked to a great extent.

Of course we are going to have a more thought out 'Budget' soon.

The Press are forecasting higher taxes to reduce Government borrowing and higher Interest Rares to curb inflation.

I don't have a crystal ball so make of that lot what you will.

It is how I thought it was playing out. A lot of what would have hammered national finances has been at least put on hold. Us mere mortals will still pay of course.

I assume the black hole is made up of the costs associated with paying for furlough, energy support? At least in part anyway?

 

[Smug in Boots]

Andrew Bridgen in a bit of bother for breaching lobbying rules.

The punishment? Three day suspension.

Guilty of accepting backhanders, free holidays and 'jobs for the boys' ...

... just like Boris.

It's endemic and they know they'll be caught out, they don't ever make an effort to hide it these days.

 

[COYCS]

Actually it is an Ostrich (Torius Apologistus) with it's head in the sand

I came very close to one in the wild some years ago, huge bloody thing peering at me , but quite beautiful to see.