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I can envisage Boris getting the requisite votes to get back in. The vote for a new leader is not going to solve the issue and you can see there being an even distribution amongst the candidates from the differing factions. I would not back against Boris being elected and I concur that those Tory MPs who have argued for him lack an understanding of any sort of decency . It will be a disaster but I doubt if Boris will object. Just too ambitious.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
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Please don’t anyone say this is an outlier, as someone has done for the last 3 or 4 of these. This effectively means no seats whatsoever for the Tory Party, with the SNP forming the official Opposition.
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Outlier or not, those figures are most unlikely to be reflected in any general election. It’s nice to dream about the death of the Conservative party, but it remains a dream. That lot are like Nosferatu, even if you drive a stake through their collective heart, someone or something - the Daily Mail most probably - will find a way to bring them back.
 
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Archers Road said:
Outlier or not, those figures are most unlikely to be reflected in any general election. It’s nice to dream about the death of the Conservative party, but it remains a dream. That lot are like Nosferatu, even if you drive a stake through their collective heart, someone or something - the Daily Mail most probably - will find a way to bring them back.
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What would kill them as even a semblance of a united party would be PR. The 3 groups which currently form the parliamentary party might as well split for good.

Trouble is, that’s probably true for Labour as well.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
What would kill them as even a semblance of a united party would be PR. The 3 groups which currently form the parliamentary party might as well split for good.

Trouble is, that’s probably true for Labour as well.
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I don’t really spot the problem with the latter point if the former does indeed happen and there is a three way split. What are the three groups? The ERG which probably band with UKIP and some of Reform. But what are the two from the remainder ?
 
West Kent Saint said:
I despair at the current government, but Boris getting back in would be the **** on the shoe. Surely that would just increase the circus?
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Sunak is the only viable choice for them, as in someone who wouldn’t utterly destroy everything. Remember it’s Johnson that first had the idea of the cutting tax/spending big budget that Truss made into a reality, and disaster.

They’d be mad to vote him in, so I guess Boris it is…
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
Sunak is the only viable choice for them, as in someone who wouldn’t utterly destroy everything. Remember it’s Johnson that first had the idea of the cutting tax/spending big budget that Truss made into a reality, and disaster.

They’d be mad to vote him in, so I guess Boris it is…
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Well quite, maybe they should then!
 
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Gregm1988 said:
I don’t really spot the problem with the latter point if the former does indeed happen and there is a three way split. What are the three groups? The ERG which probably band with UKIP and some of Reform. But what are the two from the remainder ?
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The ERG right is one, the remaining One Nation Tories who bought into Brexit is another, and the rest are the opportunists, best represented by Johnson himself.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
What would kill them as even a semblance of a united party would be PR. The 3 groups which currently form the parliamentary party might as well split for good.

Trouble is, that’s probably true for Labour as well.
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That wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing, for anyone.

The irony of the current situation is, all my life I’ve been hearing horror stories from the media about the threat of the far left hijacking Labour, taking over the country, and tanking the economy. Yet now here we are, governed by a Conservative party that’s been completely hijacked by the far right Brexit cult, and look what’s happening to the economy.
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
Sunak is the only viable choice for them, as in someone who wouldn’t utterly destroy everything. Remember it’s Johnson that first had the idea of the cutting tax/spending big budget that Truss made into a reality, and disaster.

They’d be mad to vote him in, so I guess Boris it is…
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Yeah if Johnson gets to 100 it’s hard to see anyone else winning a vote of the lunatic cultists that constitute the Conservative membership.

The only thing that could change that is that some of those members might be disenfranchised by the vote being online only, which could produce an unexpected result.

It’s a very low bar, but Sunak is the most competent of the three and the only one who has any vague aura of Prime Ministerial personality, but I can see him struggling immediately with the Borisites likely to try and bring him down the second he walks into number 10.

Equally I can see Johnson being chipped away by scandal and gradual non compliance from the ‘One Nation’ Conservatives.

Mordaunt is the only one who might be able to manage the rabble by virtue of the fact that no specific faction is particularly out for her blood.

Don’t see her making 100 though unless Sunak and Mordaunt somehow rig a vote share to try and block out Johnson.
 
As much as I despise Johnson part of me hopes that the numbnuts re select him, just so the Partygate probe can find him guilty of having lied and suspend him.
 
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