Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
Just looked up the oath of allegiance as pledged by our armed forces. Those on here who have served will of course remember it.

"I swear by almighty God that I will be faithful, and bear true allegiance to his Majesty King Charles III, his heirs and successors, and that I will as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend his Majesty, his heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity, against all enemies, and will observe and obey all orders of His Majesty, his heirs and successors and the generals and officers set over me."

Interesting that there is zero mention of country in there, which I wasn’t aware of. I suppose it dates back to when the monarch was literally the embodiment of the state. Doubt it’s important but it’s seems a bit incongruous nowadays, perhaps an oath to King and Country would make more sense.
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Listening to all the historic wording over these last few days, it is clear that they don't really apply to modern day.
Maybe we shouldn't take this stuff too literally and accept it as tradition?
Some would want all tradition updated I suppose.
I think the stuff about the Scottish Church needs updating, so maybe there is a case for it in some cases.
 
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rangercol said:
Listening to all the historic wording over these last few days, it is clear that they don't really apply to modern day.
Maybe we shouldn't take this stuff too literally and accept it as tradition?
Some would want all tradition updated I suppose.
I think the stuff about the Scottish Church needs updating, so maybe there is a case for it in some cases.
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Yeah, I think that works for most of us. Perhaps the youngest of recruits might need it explaining that the King is a cipher for country.
 
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sb_73 said:
Yeah, I think that works for most of us. Perhaps the youngest of recruits might need it explaining that the King is a cipher for country.
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And remove the bit about God....I was an atheist when I joined up, but still had to make the oath. Had it on all my papers that I was N/A when it came to religion. Was still made to attend church every Sunday as a recruit, but refused to sing, pray or recite all the religous bollocks that they do in church. Got dragged aside by my drill sergeant after the first service (bearing in mind, I'd not long turned 16) and got an absolute earful for not taking part. I calmly explained that I was a non-believer....guess what he did.....sent me to jail for the rest of the day <laugh>
 
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I thought we had ready made trade deals after Brexit...now honest Liz, says we have no trade deal in the pipeline with USA, in either the short or medium time range.

Close ally, and huge market...how the **** did that happen.

Surely we haven't been duped or lied too
 
qprbeth said:
I thought we had ready made trade deals after Brexit...now honest Liz, says we have no trade deal in the pipeline with USA, in either the short or medium time range.

Close ally, and huge market...how the **** did that happen.

Surely we haven't been duped or lied too
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Front of the queue last I heard.
 
qprbeth said:
I thought we had ready made trade deals after Brexit...now honest Liz, says we have no trade deal in the pipeline with USA, in either the short or medium time range.

Close ally, and huge market...how the **** did that happen.

Surely we haven't been duped or lied too
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You must have misheard, sunny uplands and all that
 
Also we are also considering joining the new European club of nations...
For closer cooperation with Europe?

From the team that brought us Brexit
 
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qprbeth said:
BBC News - UK considers joining new European nations club
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62967084


But to be honest...not really sure
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My genuine first thought as I read this early was, isn't this very similar to football, where people have criticised the format of international football, so they introduced the Nations League. As the EU is not the power house it once was, not just due to Brexit, but other European countries are grumbling about leaving (as I have mentioned before, I am seeing more 'Frexit' signs up in Paris), is this a new format, being proposed to try and make everyone one happy family again. The names are even similar!
 
daverangers said:
My genuine first thought as I read this early was, isn't this very similar to football, where people have criticised the format of international football, so they introduced the Nations League. As the EU is not the power house it once was, not just due to Brexit, but other European countries are grumbling about leaving (as I have mentioned before, I am seeing more 'Frexit' signs up in Paris), is this a new format, being proposed to try and make everyone one happy family again. The names are even similar!
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We should call it the Union of Europe. It’s not like Brexit has stopped people crying about immigration.
 
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