Match Day Thread England v Hungary

[DJBlackandamberarmy(No4)]

You dont have a connection with the team based on who sits with who.
You have a connection based on who has the passion.
The passion comes from having faith in the manager and that isnt judged by what is said in interviews
A good manager doesnt need to constantly swap and change players to "have a look at them"
The manager watches several Premier League matches each week. He watches them in training. If he can't judge players without seeing them play in a badly chosen eleven - right back playing at left back for example - he'll never be able to judge them.

I have a Connection to a team who kept our interest in 2 major competitions until the final few days, I have a connection to a team who is a million miles away from the dross of 2014-2016… even in the not so distant past we got annihilated in 2010 , 2008 we didn’t even ****ing qualify ….. think we maybe need better, think he’s making mistakes but the level of abuse he’s getting is laughable

 

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[petersaxton]

I have a Connection to a team who kept our interest in 2 major competitions until the final few days, I have a connection to a team who is a million miles away from the dross of 2014-2016… even in the not so distant past we got annihilated in 2010 , 2008 we didn’t even ****ing qualify ….. think we maybe need better, think he’s making mistakes but the level of abuse he’s getting is laughable

What abuse has Southgate been getting?
Do you class him being told he's not a good enough manager for England as abuse?

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

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sums it up perfectly for me. don’t feel any connection to the side at all even with bowen in the side

He’s 28, All he can remember is the pre Southgate dross.

 

[petersaxton]

Having Rashford dancing in his run up to taking an important penalty shows that Southgate isnt concentrating on the right things.

 

[petersaxton]

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Any manager any good would have stopped Rashford practising that run up.

 

[NewcastleTiger]

Did you feel more connect when there was a Liverpool table and a Man United table , and the likes of Beckham and Gerrard decided who could talk to who? (Now widely acknowledged by them all ) Serious question as I strangely feel more of a connect to this group , doesn’t seem to be the Ego’s that there used to be . Funny how people feel differently about it

To be honest I never have. They’ve all grown up in England youth set ups together and ultimately sum up the modern football scene. The group is the best it’s ever been but the mentality is **** and is no doubt a result of being lead by perennial loser Southgate

 

[Plum]

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Any manager any good would have stopped Rashford practising that run up.

Well, in a way he has. Hasn't been picked since!

 

[Kalman]

Southgate seems like a nice guy and good at man-management but his tactics leave a lot to be desired. Some people are better at being assistant coaches and Southgate is definitely one of them.

 

[Howdentiger2]

Southgate needs to move behind the scenes and just concentrate on the development and infrastructure of the England set up at all ages.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

What I will never fathom out is why you’d play for penalties when the opposition keeper is the best in the world at saving the bastards and your record in shootouts is dog ****?

 

[Stockholm Tiger]

I have a Connection to a team who kept our interest in 2 major competitions until the final few days, I have a connection to a team who is a million miles away from the dross of 2014-2016… even in the not so distant past we got annihilated in 2010 , 2008 we didn’t even ****ing qualify ….. think we maybe need better, think he’s making mistakes but the level of abuse he’s getting is laughable

I agree with this. I also think some people are too quick to always blame the manager and never the team/players as a whole after a run of a few bad results.

We have had some truly appalling runs since the turn of the century both in qualifying and at tournaments.

 

[petersaxton]

I agree with this. I also think some people are too quick to always blame the manager and never the team/players as a whole after a run of a few bad results.

We have had some truly appalling runs since the turn of the century both in qualifying and at tournaments.

The table has the following points: 7,6,5 and England 2 after 4 games
Any results as bad as that?

 

[Porthmeor Tiger]

We would be better off stop ****ing around with these stupid competitions and let the players rest after a season that has too much football in them anyway. We are going to a World Cup in a place that is dog **** in terms of human rights. This World Cup is money orientated bullshit voted for by blokes with their hands in the FIFA pot.

 

[tigers1970]

We would be better off stop ****ing around with these stupid competitions and let the players rest after a season that has too much football in them anyway. We are going to a World Cup in a place that is dog **** in terms of human rights. This World Cup is money orientated bullshit voted for by blokes with their hands in the FIFA pot.

We will take "the knee" though ..so not all bad re human rights

 

[Shark Sports]

Southgate needs to move behind the scenes and just concentrate on the development and infrastructure of the England set up at all ages.

The work he did creating the England DNA and the planning around St George's Park was a game changer for us as a nation. But it's also not unfair to say that he's tactically poor. I'm very appreciative of the work he's done and whilst the last 2 tournaments were successes, we had favourable runs and still managed to be lose to teams we had more than enough to beat.

 

[Howdentiger2]

The work he did creating the England DNA and the planning around St George's Park was a game changer for us as a nation. But it's also not unfair to say that he's tactically poor. I'm very appreciative of the work he's done and whilst the last 2 tournaments were successes, we had favourable runs and still managed to be lose to teams we had more than enough to beat.

Agreed, his talents definitely lie elsewhere and we should make use of them

 

[Shark Sports]

Agreed, his talents definitely lie elsewhere and we should make use of them

It wasn't like he was a major success with the u21s either. He got them playing good football, but they failed at a tournament. He's improved since then mind but similar failings are still there.

After scoring in the 2 minute (or whatever it was) of last year's final, we failed to have another shot on target. That's horrendous and highlights how negative his football is

 

[askewshair]

It’s not about that,,I just don’t think they looked overly interested in these games , I don’t blame them , seasons already getting ****ed about cos of the farcical decision to move the World Cup, all the preseasons starting early etc, it’s not about feeling sorry for them, just the ones who know they are already in the plane probably just not overly arsed, and I think it showed in the displays

Why EUFA they have chosen to extend this season, just months before the World Cup and starting the season early, I have no idea.
saying ‘players are tired’ is always mocked, but performance levels do drop when they have played too many games. That is a fact.

 

[askewshair]

All we ever do is experiment, Southgate should by now have a clear system(s) and team.

Players progress and hit form at different times. For instance he couldn’t ignore Bowen’s recent form. There’s surely nothing wrong with trying to improve the team or seeing if players can do a job in the system (which may be very different to what they play at club level).