So what is the government’s position, other than something they concede is not legal ? Edit Clearly the Labour Party will need to have something in place in time for a GE, but the government should have a legal option in place now.
Well pray tell why 70-80 of a 100 on most/ every crossing of the channel is males from 18 -30 40 50! They mostly come from countries where they have left their families ... who are not persecuted! East AFRICANS mostly because they have droughts and/or no food... why .. because they eat the seeds they are supposed to grow .... It is a known fact, that getting plants to grow helps the stability ...
would go with maybe thousands The church was sancrosanct, even your local burglar never robbed them, bearing in mind the "plate near the entrance had money in it" [donations ] Altar stuff was gold or silver! now its lock the door donations box padlocked .. the church should stay out of how politics work you stick with the .. peace go with you or whatever ...
That doesn't make it illegal, all that proves is that parasite legal aid grabbing lawyers, will be fighting to keep their huge state funded pension pots intact, especially now they have lost their Russian oligarch mates, life must be hard for them. Even if it was illegal (which I doubt) it only needs an act of parliament to make it legal, I would say about as illegal as the deal we had with our great EU friends the French, remember that one? where they took the money and did feck all?
You can’t just label everyone who disagree’ s with you a lefty. look, for the sake of argument if the measures the tories are suggesting, is found to be legal and it stops people coming by boat from France, that’s fine. I don’t agree with it, but I can live with it. But if we ship people off to Rwanda, it absolutely isn’t fine. What we need is an immigration system that works and is fair, then there would be no need for this draconian measure.
When a government makes a policy they believe will be challenged legally, especially when that government is headed by Boris, who we all know has problems staying within the law, it suggests it isn’t exactly legal.
With all due respect that is incredibly naive of you, it will be challenged because the challenge is a money maker for parasite lawyers and they have to make up from the loss of their honourable Russian oligarch mates income and will ensure that at least they can still sponge off of legal aid to keep violent criminals in the UK, they have absolutely no care about the safety of the UK. As an aside lefties cannot label everybody who disagrees with them as racist or tory, because as this thread shows it works both ways, me I just want to be safe and see the law of the land upheld, if I tear down a statue or block the Queen's highway I expect to be found guilty, there should be absolutely no defence. 60% of Labour voters in the UK on the day of the 2017 general election were totally unclear about labours policy on Brexit, that is why by 2019 the electorate especially in the North were left in no doubt and abandoned labour in huge numbers and guess what? it seems that the opposition government in waiting have not learned that lesson, what next? if labour cannot defeat this rag tag government, where does that leave them for the future? labour are the kings of labelling and that is why the north turned on them, after Abbott and co labelled them racist for voting for Brexit.
OK But what if 95% of those coming across the channel illegally go through the immigration process that doesn't want to offload them to Rwanda or wherever and are found to be undesirable to stay in the UK for the wider populations safety. France won't want them back, they are already being less than helpful with preventing the dinghies even launching. As I've said before, we live in a time of unparallelled technical abilities. The world is full of CCTV, Dash Cams and the like and a regime can fire a missle hundreds of miles at an adversary, and will know to within a metre when it will land. But are you telling me tha the French and British authorities, (between them if necessary), can't detect a dinghy with 60-80 people on it and stop it leaving a French beach, or get Interpol or whoever to look closely at who is selling hundreds of large dinghies a month to the trafficking gangs ? It cannot be beyond the wit of the French. But whether they have the appetite for doing anything helpful despite taking tens of millions of British taxpayers money is quite another matter. Because if they could, and stop the illegal trade and the drownings etc, this whole debate wouldn't be necessary.
I vote Labour so that would make me?? Every party has controls on immigration. Every Country. The EU. Racist????
You seem to forget when the EU sovereign nation of France voted to ban the Burkha in public places, the then labour government wholly condemned it as a racist policy, so you tell me??? Edit:- You try and get legal aid in France for anything, especially as an immigrant/asylum seeker. You also seem to forget the French sent home thousands and thousands of Roma's after crushing their cars and caravans, racist???
The question is are they racist or do carry out the will of the people? I lived in France for 16 years and I know exactly how they operate and the historical background that formulated their decisions and the popularity of these decisions with the electorate, from the overt wearing of religious symbolism in schools and colleges, to the public burkha ban, to the removal of thousands of illegal North Africans after 10 days of rioting and the removal of and crushing of cars and caravans of the Romas + the illegal ignoring of EU laws and mandates when it suits them. All done with no legal challenge or right to a legal challenge. But hey lets put the boot into the racist UK first.
No I voted George for Mayor x twice and the bloke came to or local residents. Ferguson got things done for my Community. Champagne socialist Marv comes nowhere anywhere near us or does anything for us. My local concillor is a Tory, a good person and if you need help ask her and shes round your house, she works for our community not against it. Elections yes i only vote labour. All parties are a plague on our houses and the Tories have managed to be worse than i expected. Bojo has no moral authority to govern to me. Starmer doesnt know what a woman is but labour wouldnt be worse than this mess. I will give it ago. Religions are not races so it cant be racist. A lot in labour know that but some dont care. Its racist when they say it is not because it is. that is something labour have to sort out. Identity politics is a voter loser and labour at elections are LLLL.
