I don’t think it should be either, or. They are two completely different issues. We need social policies that deal with poverty, and migration policies that deal with migration, also dealing with refugees is a separate issue to general migration.
Maybe we should have a policy similar to the U S of A, where the right to remain is a right earned and not just given as the norm. Maybe 5 years qualification, where there is a minimum requirement expected reference language, understanding our laws and most importantly not transgressing our laws (especially for serious crimes).??? We also need social policies that deal with those in society who are able to work but believe that not working is their right and that the rest of us should pay for that right. We also need an overhaul of our justice system that allows criminal damage as a political weapon. I could go on about a police service more interested in dealing and solving crime rather than hurty words to somebody who identifies as a cat.
But there is a huge issue with idealogies from people from the middle east that the vast majority of the woke British media doesn't want to talk about, in case these people take offence. Look at all of the terrorism that's been comitted in this country over the past couple of decades. The Manchester Arena bombing, London Bus bombing, Sir David Amess assassination, Lee Rigby killing then there is the Rotherham and Blackburn grooming gangs when that fine figure of a supposed opposition party, Sir Keir, was head of the CPS and turned a blind eye to the goings on and the victims are still suffering at the hands of people that do not align themselves to our way of life, despite living here. Etc etc etc Have any of these atrocities been carried out by white christians ? No, none of them have. These people, especially the young solo men, treat women, children and homosexuals as second or third class citizens in their own countries, and they do exactly the same here. They are not interested in changing their ways or their opinions. If a female member of your family was a victim to one of these events would you still be so understanding I wonder ?
Dear Emily Thornberry was doing the media rounds this morning. When asked about Labour's plan for immigration all we got was pathetic platitudes. 'We could with the French' was something she offered - the Left are in Cuckoo Land. Meanwhile we spend £4.7million a DAY housing, in the vast majority, chancers.
SOLO MEN ...that is around 80% of the people that cross the channel.. most are cowards that would not face the reality ofthe modern world and actually work to improve their lot. few thousand.. very few thousand Taliban take over a few million !! Because the majority the male population do a runner.. long live UKRAINE!
Extremists of any colour, creed or religion cause problems for the majority, we deal with the extremists, not label the majority with the beliefs of the extremists. Your post seems to suggest you believe everyone who isn’t white and Christian is a terrorist. Many young footballers were groomed by white men, does that mean all white men are kiddy fiddlers?, of course not.
As opposed to the Tories, who may I remind you are the government, are so out of ideas they can only suggest something they know is illegal, That’s just lazy, we need solutions that are legal and workable
The sad reality is we do not do enough to discover the full antecedents of migrants/asylum seekers and that means that our response is almost always reactive like after a serious terrorist incident ala Manchester, when our approach should be proactive and if that person is uncooperative during the migrant/asylum process then they have to be refused and deported.
I didn't say that, nor was it implied. What I pointed out was that every attrocity carried out on UK soil over the last couple of decades was by Islamic extremists. Terrorists which we didn't used to have in this country, and now we do, so why would any country want to import more of them ? As Lithunia confirmed when they did a deep dive on immigrants crossing into their country last year. From the 2,000 people screened and investigated around 20 (I believe) were either active extremists, or ISIS sympathisers. But that's still 20 too many. And it's also been found that the PREVENT programme in the UK, which is costly to start with, is also ineffective, as was found by the murderer of Sir David Ames who had been through it. So again I ask, why do we want this issue, which costs us money, and may affect us or our loved ones, in our country ?
And allied to that, there should be no right of appeal, because the biggest problem of all is parasite lawyers clogging up the system, whilst raking in huge sums of legal aid money.
I’m sorry if I misread your last post, I’ve re read it and to me it does imply, in fact states that none of the incidents you listed were carried out by white Christian’s, I ‘m not sure why you’d put that if not to highlight they were all carried out by non white, non Christian’s , you then go onto say so why would we import them, suggesting allowing non white non Christian’s are terrorists . You also failed to address my point about white male groomers.
We are mostly old(ish) men on here, the younger generation have a much more tolerant, inclusive attitude than we do, thankfully.
And many have an incredible sense of entitlement and lack manners and respect, it cuts both ways. Most people of my generation all they want is the rule of law to exist without fear or favour, it is the central plank of who we are but sadly that has been eroded by gutless politicians, judiciary, police running scared of being classed as racist or some other 'ist'. You mentioned white male groomers, would you take a bet that the majority of them actively engaged in that are not Eastern European in origin?
I'm trying to make you see that it's not the likes of you and I or any member of this board that comits these types of crimes and before mass immigration, legal and illegal from the middle east, it was unheard of in this country. But now there are thousands, if not tens, or hundreds of thousands of people living in this country that want the likes of you and I and our families dead. That's the bottom line. So I think that our security forces already have enough on their plate, monitoring those who they know to be a public danger to us right now. And do we want to just carry on allowing undocumented young men with unknown backgrounds, including possible terrorist sympathies, or criminal backgrounds to join the others? Meanwhile we all await the next inevitable murder, bombing or assassination. So I'm behind Priti Patel and Johnson on this one and trying to make crossing the channel illegally a bad choice. This is despite the Archbishop of Canterbury sticking his oar in, and actually where was the Church of England when Covid was ravaging Care Homes, by the way ? Unfortunately he's just another lefty with a voice, who has chosen to get the church involved in politics when it should remain neutral like the Royal Family. The question was asked why are all the churches and catherdrals locked if Welby is so against trying to do something constructive about the issue?
I'll tell you what is lazy, an opposition who do not have an immigration policy. Just happy to sit on the fence and let other woke and lefties fire the bullets. Ashton, can you can tell me what the Labour position is on immigration.
By definition the opposition are not in power, so are unable to implement anything , the government on the other hand are but are bereft of ideas other than something they know is illegal, so makes them look tough whilst actually ducking the issue, typical bluff and bluster from a PM who wouldn’t understand integrity if he fell over it .
I know the PM struggles with keeping within the law, but what exactly is the Tories position on immigration, bearing in mind it has to be legal
So how the f*** do the electorate know exactly what they are voting for?, next month and next general election, you have highlighted part of the problem with our broken political system, I would say that by definition the 'opposition' are the government in waiting and the electorate should know exactly what to expect on every single contentious issue, before exercising their democratic right.
