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Maybe, but it's important that all NATO members put on a united front against Russia and in support of Ukraine. Now is not the time to be ****ing around with a change of PM/cabinet which would take weeks. Boris needs to go, but not right now. In my humble opinion of course.
Talking of slimy toads, Gove is keeping his head down these days. I bet he can`t wait to stab BJ and Sunak in the back.
0 - Totally disagree! Partygate is latest in an ever lengthening list of proven lies and deceit. Blowhard Johnson won't be missed on the world or national stages. Support of Ukraine can go on undiminished without Spaffer's photo opportunities and third rate Churchill impressions.
I get the sentiment, but I think that overestimates his importance to the situation honestly, any other PM will just pick up where he has left off here, the difference will be domestic more than international.
A bigger concern to the international situation would be the very real possibility of Le Pen deposing Macron in a couple of weeks time.
I was going to say much the same thing.
The UK think we are important, but in the scheme of things it is the UK not Boris or the Conservative party supporting Ukraine. Whoever takes over (note I said takes as IMO it is inevitable) will carry on the mantra.
France on the other hand is more of a worry.
EDIT: Also what a great show of democracy to the world in showing corrupt leaders have to stand down
Agreed, a change of leadership in the UK will have exactly zero impact on world affairs because a) our foreign policy is most unlikely to change significantly, and b) we are not that important anyway.
As for France, I'm confident Le Pen will not be President. But many French voters will have to hold their noses when voting for Macron. Expect a record low turnout and growing disaffection with politics across the channel. These are worrying times for democracy throughout the world, and not specifically because of Putin - for when has Russia not been subject to tyranny? People are losing faith in their elected leaders, as capitalism continues to exclude millions from enjoying it's benefits.
Indeed you are,I dont agree with you, but tip my hat to you for holding your own.
Especially on this thread.
Comes to something when I think Hunt would be a far, far better option as leader. At least he’s an adult in the room.
So you don’t think Putin will make any political capital and propaganda about one of the NATO leaders being a proven liar who has broken the law? Utterly laughable, of course he would. The UK has been compromised as a credible force by this, and not just because of the parties and the lies. The association with Lebedev is equally damaging and who knows what photos were taken in that villa that might be used to political pressure?
The fact that there is no credible alternative is a fair point, but a general election would solve that problem. France aren’t cancelling their presidential election, I notice, so what is the difference?
he has to go immediately, no question.
Which has a 0.00000001% chance of happening any time soon. Why on earth would the Tories call one now? The next one is not due until 2024 and 2 years is a long time in politics. And how could France cancel their election? Surely it has to happen, like we have to have an election in 2 years time. And in any case, I think this is all academic as I don't think enough Tories will turn against Boris now to force a no confidence vote.
You are correct, but I sense that you, like a lot of Tory supporters, will be hoping that Johnson’s misdeeds will have somehow been forgotten by the time of the next GE. You know as well as I do that the long list of his lies, deceit, and utter corruption will have grown even longer by then, and what state will our poor country be in by then?
Anyone whose MP is a Tory should be writing to them demanding that enough is enough. We simply cannot have a convicted criminal as PM. As I said before, Britain is now guilty by association with this lying, cheating crook, and our standing as a nation has been irreparably damaged.
Technically Boris isn't a criminal as getting a FPN doesn't result in a criminal record.
Here's a link to a very long (sorry) but good article which is very instructive about how we have got to where we are over the last 10 years or so. Written about the USA but very relevant to the UK (and France) too. It talks about how the extremes of left and right have both become more entrenched in their positions and unwilling to even consider anything that involves compromise and community. I think that currently, the "devoted conservatives" have managed to grab a disproportionate share of the parliamentary Conservative party and they do not tolerate dissenting views from the more centre left leaning members (who are also scared of getting deselected). If we are to stand a chance of changing the authoritarian trajectory of UK politics, it's these people we need to support and re-energise because it's they who will decide whether Boris and his allies get a vote of no confidence and a challenge to the leadership. Paradoxically on the other side, the Labour Party have chosen a centrist, compromising leader but that's unsurprisingly resulted in the "progressive activists" being unhappy and doing what they can to undermine him.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/
The people of Russia …
(And, still, somehow, some ultra right wing authoritarianism lovers in the west )
This is true in a fashion. The reason Boris hasn't gone is that none of the contenders want to take over at this time. If they were to oust Boris, the new PM would have more than two years of record to run on, in a fairly difficult moment in history. It's much more advantageous to knock him off closer to the election, when they can run on promises more than their tenure as PM.
Oh so lying to the House, or being so ****ing ignorant of his own laws is your defence upon which you are relying? Criminal act or not, it is utterly unforgiveable what he has done.