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Hold up. Most inept, narcissistic and selfish leaders EVER? Did you not see the previous guy in charge of America.

Even if you wish to debate over who is more inept he is definitely more narcissistic and selfish than the current guy. And if you rule he is not as inept - it certainly isn’t by a very big margin

I agree in principle but if it were purely down to what you said he would have timed it for when trump was in. But there are other factors - trumps unpredictability is one. And the fact he didn’t really need to do anything when trump was in - he wanted trump there. That much is apparent

Everyone should get a copy of Catherine Belton's book, Putin's People. It's impeccably researched, and a fascinating read.
 
Hold up. Most inept, narcissistic and selfish leaders EVER? Did you not see the previous guy in charge of America.

Even if you wish to debate over who is more inept he is definitely more narcissistic and selfish than the current guy. And if you rule he is not as inept - it certainly isn’t by a very big margin

I agree in principle but if it were purely down to what you said he would have timed it for when trump was in. But there are other factors - trumps unpredictability is one. And the fact he didn’t really need to do anything when trump was in - he wanted trump there. That much is apparent

Yes, I meant what I said. As bad as trump was, Biden is much worse than trump in my opinion. He has actually said fully racist things in the past. Calling black people poor etc.

He commands zero respect in the geopolitical games.
 
Yes, I meant what I said. As bad as trump was, Biden is much worse than trump in my opinion. He has actually said fully racist things in the past. Calling black people poor etc.

He commands zero respect in the geopolitical games.

I will have to agree to disagree with you there.

IMO it doesn’t matter what side of the political fence you sit, Trump was (is) the worst political leader for generations.
 
Yes, I meant what I said. As bad as trump was, Biden is much worse than trump in my opinion. He has actually said fully racist things in the past. Calling black people poor etc.

He commands zero respect in the geopolitical games.
Trump has as long a list of lies and deceit as spaffer Johnson. First class arsehole with blood on his hands. His support for the alt right likes of the proud boys is sickening.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...isleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/16/politics/fact-check-dale-top-15-donald-trump-lies/index.html
 
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There's a chasm of gigantic proportions between how most of us are governed and the Russian/Chinese people. Democratic leaders are temporary, theirs are pretty near permanent. So they play much longer political and power strategies than any democratically elected governments. Hence Putin's gradual increase in his way of gaining advantage, challenges the Western governments to do the unacceptable. He knows how unpopular the Iraq war was, he knows how much most of us wanted out of Afghanistan, he knows that the electorate in the West have no appetite for any more foreign military involvement. But, he knows too that even if a harder response started coming from the West, until now 'we've' been prepared to have a moan, set up a few sanctions and that's that, because around the corner, general elections interfere with the international focus and the need is to get elected on a popular set of proposals which do not include offering Russia or China any serious military challenge. That approach does not win elections, here in the West. So he can then move back onto his agenda and, even now, knows the West will not take him on, despite having a technically superior range of weapons. However, this time he's in a corner of his own making and has offered the chance of himself being displaced by his own people. That is realistically speaking our best hope at present. Any attempt to negotiate with him will end in long term failure as his mindset appears completely at variance to most leaders of the NATO alliance and others too. The fear of a nuclear war is, I'm afraid, why we are where we are. The Chinese too are playing a much longer game than the rest of us and we have to rid ourselves of the current level of reliance on what make and the money they seem to throw at simply gaining influence. We shall see.
100 likes Brinkworth. I despair at any thought of western leaders, NATO or whatever getting together to go the next step. And although an obvious step, the limited sanctions are only having a marginal affect which Putin will probably use to his advantage with the Russian people when it suits. I heard there’s been a surge on milk (?) recently …. 3 weeks on, The oligarchs have mostly side stepped. And in the meantime …..
 
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Yes, I meant what I said. As bad as trump was, Biden is much worse than trump in my opinion. He has actually said fully racist things in the past. Calling black people poor etc.

He commands zero respect in the geopolitical games.
I notice you didn’t address what I said. I challenged you specifically on the absurd claim that Biden is both more selfish and more narcissistic than Trump

You didn’t acknowledge those points and just went for a general “he is worse”

No one has written articles musing on whether Biden has narcissistic personality disorder. Heck, even the fact that Biden has embraced that he is balding compared to whatever trump is doing reflect that one is more narcissistic than the other

If you can come up with a compelling argument that Biden is more narcissistic than Trump than I would be eager to hear it. Same with the selfish descriptor as well.

I also note you made sure you grouped Biden and Harris together, presumably to try and make it worse because you can combine their various flaws? Nope, nothing doing. Trump is corrupt and lazy. His schedules were released showing him starting late and watching TV for large chunks of the day

I mean I get that you are very ideologically motivated but, and you are going to love this, “C’mon Man!”

As for historic racism - how about the Central Park Five and not renting to black people in the 70s?

But I suspect you are trolling / baiting with these comments and I have fallen for it completely

It’s funny because lots of people make claims of a thing called “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. But if you are serious then apparently Biden Derangement Syndrome is a very real thing.
 
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I notice you didn’t address what I said. I challenged you specifically on the absurd claim that Biden is both more selfish and more narcissistic than Trump

You didn’t acknowledge those points and just went for a general “he is worse”

No one has written articles musing on whether Biden has narcissistic personality disorder. Heck, even the fact that Biden has embraced that he is balding compared to whatever trump is doing reflect that one is more narcissistic than the other

If you can come up with a compelling argument that Biden is more narcissistic than Trump than I would be eager to hear it. Same with the selfish descriptor as well.

I also note you made sure you grouped Biden and Harris together, presumably to try and make it worse because you can combine their various flaws? Nope, nothing doing. Trump is corrupt and lazy. His schedules were released showing him starting late and watching TV for large chunks of the day

I mean I get that you are very ideologically motivated but, and you are going to love this, “C’mon Man!”

As for historic racism - how about the Central Park Five and not renting to black people in the 70s?

But I suspect you are trolling / baiting with these comments and I have fallen for it completely

It’s funny because lots of people make claims of a thing called “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. But if you are serious then apparently Biden Derangement Syndrome is a very real thing.
The "Trump Tower" is a reasonable symbol of narcissum?
 
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Shock………not.
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Something else that is missing, and has been since 2015 allegedly, are the names of visitors to Chequers.
Cameron, May and now Johnson have not revealed all the names of their visitors or the reasons for the visits.
As a result no one knows if they have abused their positions by carrying out party business in the grace and favour home and have the costs covered by the public purse.
Can’t find the link to the allegation just yet.
 
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Yet another example of how Johnson and Co have lowered the integrity of the current government and the tory party. Gone from a position of respect and influence to a bit player no longer welcome at the top table. Anglophile friends, a mixed race couple as we are, were dismayed at the change of atmosphere on a recent trip to England. Thankfully most here in the Netherlands don't tar all UK citizens with the same brush.
 
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Poroshenko's role in this isn't as dramatic as Zelenskyy's, but it's somehow weirder than the Dancing With the Stars to national hero pipeline. Dude's under indictment for treason! They just basically agreed to forget about that for a bit because the country is under martial law, and now he is, at least publicly, commanding a battalion of the TDF.
 
Johnson will not be going to the Ukraine as it appears that neither of his official photographers can get insurance cover to go.

They therefore say they dare not risk it.

Without his official photographers Johnson has no reason or purpose to go.


This is a man, lest we forget, who hid in a fridge to avoid a BBC camera crew. As if he’s going anywhere near actual bullets.