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Some of us were raising the issues in on the oldBBC site years ago, but often found our comments removed by the over zealous mods there
 
BrunelGunner said:
PNP, this is going to be my final post on this because we're just going round in circles here.
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Yep.
BrunelGunner said:
Be that as it may, it doesn't change the fact that match-fixing and gambling within Italian football has been going on for ages. You can track it back to the 1960s if you want. So whilst it may have been a self-serving statement, he's not entirely wrong. Conte may not have directly been involved in match-fixing scandals, but during his period of time as a player/coach in Italy, and during Calciopoli, it's extremely difficult to believe he had no knowledge of relevance to what was happening.

If you think that the dodgy Italian authorities clearing him is good enough to prove his innocence, that's your prerogative. But I don't.
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Guilty until proven innocent and not even then? Fair enough.
BrunelGunner said:
I don't understand what you don't get about this. Whatever the reasons were, the fact remains we did not have enough first-team players available to field for a Premier League match. The Premier League agreed with us and took the decision to delay the match until further notice.

I agree that your own results are irrelevant. But you should tell that to your other supporters who seem to think it's given us some distinct advantage when it hasn't. Especially as it means a backlog of fixtures later on in the season.
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You didn't have enough players due to your own actions and not covid.
You manipulated a system that was in place to protect people from a pandemic.
It's despicable behaviour.

Postponing a game when, by your own admission, you were heavily depleted is an advantage.
It's just silly to claim otherwise.
BrunelGunner said:
And you've got previous history of assisting ****ty companies and corrupt governments. The underlying tone of your posts suggests to me that Chelsea, Man United, Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal all have bent owners/sponsorships (or have benefited from such), whereas Spurs are clean as a whistle.

If that's what you think, then you're wrong.
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Neither I nor Spurs have previous history of assisting "****ty companies and corrupt governments."
Arsenal are sponsored by two dictatorships, though. That's not debatable.

I've not said anything about Utd or Liverpool's owners, barring criticising the former for being poor.
City, Chelsea and Arsenal all have clear links to dictatorships and criminals.
You may accept that. It doesn't mean that others should.
BrunelGunner said:
First of all, no-one is comparing anything. Dictatorships are bad, as are companies who directly aid the oppression and subjugation of others.

Secondly, I don't know what guy you're on about, but there are plenty of references and articles of HP's involvement in the illegal occupation. 'Selling computer products' is another mischaracterisation of what they're doing over there and glosses over their active involvement with racist institutions like the Israeli military and police force.

If you want to make excuses for them, that's up to you. But don't pretend like you've not had extremely dodgy organisations/institutions involved with your club.
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The comparison is just facile and it clearly is a comparison.
It's reminiscent of Chelsea fans' whataboutism about US owners compared to Abramovich.
 
Diego said:
All on the day of the match <yikes>


You are trying to avoid the point because you know you are crying about nothing.
If that one player dropped their squad below the minimum requirement then the postponement was valid regardless of how many players they had previously sold or loaned out.
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A bad rule which numbered squad members as opposed to COVID cases was theoretically ameliorated by review. The case could hardly have been clearer for the review to deny Arsenal's request. Instead they acted as if their hands were tied when they were not.

Meanwhile...same old Arsenal, always cheating. Saka doesn't get the foul he doesn't deserve, so he stays down and whines until the jellyfish award the free kick, which Arsenal score from.
 
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Spurf said:
Moral issues are moral issues time should not be a part of it should it?
Because the background of the PL is purely money based with little concern for real moral issues, which just reflects the UK that has been built over the last 40 years it does not mean you should just throw in the towel and accept any or all of the ravenous decisions individual clubs make.
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Well said, Spurf.
 
KingHotspur said:
I actually didn’t know that. Even more damning then.
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Puma and Adidas, the latter being named after it's founder Adolf Dassler.
Adolf was supposedly not a big fan, but his brother Rudolf was and they fell out over it.

See also Volkswagen (obviously), BMW, Mercedes, IBM and Hugo Boss, who designed the SS uniforms.
Probably a bit late to give any of those companies too much grief for any of it, though.
 
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I didn't see this last night. No card, apparently. Lucky. Very lucky.
 
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