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Seem happy enough to be taking money from City for some spurs players :p
Walker? Got tapped up during the season, which completely ****ed us.
Didn't get taken over by a mafioso ****house who's best mates with a dictator, thankfully.
Nice to hear your lot singing about the bloke supplying the Russian army, though. <ok>
 
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I will just take this opportunity to point out that the actual number of covid cases is irrelevant be it 1 or 11.
If you were unable to name a matchday squad (of 14 plus a keeper) and part of the reason was covid then you could ask for (and get) a postponement.
Which it wasn't. They loaned out four players and sold some, then had Xhaka sent off.
 
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Walker? Got tapped up during the season, which completely ****ed us.
Didn't get taken over by a mafioso ****house who's best mates with a dictator, thankfully.
Nice to hear your lot singing about the bloke supplying the Russian army, though. <ok>
So you gave him away for free because you didn't want the"dirty" money?
 
Which it wasn't. They loaned out four players and sold some, then had Xhaka sent off.
All on the day of the match <yikes>


You are trying to avoid the point because you know you are crying about nothing.
If that one player dropped their squad below the minimum requirement then the postponement was valid regardless of how many players they had previously sold or loaned out.
 
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All on the day of the match <yikes>


You are trying to avoid the point because you know you are crying about nothing.
If that one player dropped their squad below the minimum requirement then the postponement was valid regardless of how many players they had previously sold or loaned out.
They knew the situation that their squad was in and chose to reduce their numbers. That's on them.
I wouldn't expect a Man Utd fan to criticise underhand behaviour, though.
 
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They knew the situation that their squad was in and chose to reduce their numbers. That's on them.
I wouldn't expect a Man Utd fan to criticise underhand behaviour, though.
Would they have been able to meet the squad requirements without the infected player at the time of his illness?
 
Again, this doesn't mean he had no involvement. If you're aware of corruption, but don't report it, that makes you complicit. And regardless of what the official line is, he is always going to have a question mark hanging over his head about his role in it.



He was talking about fairness in terms of recovery time between games. And he hasn't been the only manager to speak about it. Frankly, the reaction to us postponing one game, which plenty of other managers in the league have also done for similar reasons and to a larger degree, has been farcical. Other clubs postponing games? No problem. Arsenal do it (once)? Outrageous.

As for the sponsorship side of things, I think it's better to not go down this road. I'm sure if I did enough digging, there will be some messed up **** you lot have got involved in, as well. There's no point pretending otherwise.

We played on a Wednesday (Burnley) and then on the following Saturday lunchtime (leeds) just last month.

Arteta is is acting like a whiney child on this issue and as per usual the sporting media are too incompetent to point out to a manager that they are chatting ****e.

Everything else is smoke and mirrors
 
Wouldn't that also apply to the accusation in the first place?
Various people were successfully charged in this case, too. Conte was cleared.

It would apply to the accusation in the first place, but considering how long the scandal went on for and Perugia’s president admitting 80% of matches in Italy were/are fixed, it is very hard for me to believe Conte had no knowledge of what was going on.
https://www.goal.com/en/news/723/se...why-antonio-conte-is-being-tried-for-sporting

What clubs had done anything remotely similar to getting a game called off for one case?
You're only defending it because it's Arsenal. There's been criticism for it from all sides.

It wasn’t just one case. There were a host of reasons that meant we didn’t meet the criteria for player availability. Leicester, Newcastle and Burnley were getting lots of postponements approved. We didn’t break any rules and clearly had a valid enough argument to postpone the match.

Even now, some of your fans are trying to suggest that by delaying the NLD that has somehow given us this massive benefit and led to us being in pole position for 4th. If you follow the same line of thinking, I’d suggest you look at your own team’s results against the likes of Wolves, Southampton and Burnley, rather than the postponement of one match.

It's not moral absolutism, at all. Not wanting the money of murderous dictators should be standard.

Yep. But it’s not. And with all the shady characters and sponsorships that’s been allowed in the league, I’m not sure what the point is of making this a moral issue now. The Premier League set this precedent years ago and now nearly every Premier League club is somewhat responsible for the misfortunes and exploitation of others. What exactly is it you’re trying to get prove with this? Nothing is going to materially change now.


This isn't some tenuous link. It's two of your shirt sponsors and your ground sponsor.
You sound like a Chelsea fan.

Since you’re not willing to let this go, need I remind you it wasn’t so long ago you were sponsored by Hewlett-Packard, who have been complicit in the illegal occupation of Palestine and provide data centres/hardware to Israeli police and military? They’ve even been involved in projects related to checkpoints and control of the Palestinians in occupied territories.

https://whoprofits.org/updates/hewlett-packard-hp-and-the-israeli-occupation/
https://bdsmovement.net/boycott-hp

Like I said. Neither of us have a leg to stand on.
 
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"Yep. But it’s not. And with all the shady characters and sponsorships that’s been allowed in the league, I’m not sure what the point is of making this a moral issue now. The Premier League set this precedent years ago and now every Premier League club is somewhat responsible for the misfortunes and exploitation of others. What exactly is it you’re trying to get prove with this? Nothing is going to materially change at this point."

Moral issues are moral issues time should not be a part of it should it?
Because the background of the PL is purely money based with little concern for real moral issues, which just reflects the UK that has been built over the last 40 years it does not mean you should just throw in the towel and accept any or all of the ravenous decisions individual clubs make.
 
It would apply to the accusation in the first place, but considering how long the scandal went on for and Perugia’s president admitting 80% of matches in Italy were/are fixed, it is very hard for me to believe Conte had no knowledge of what was going on.
https://www.goal.com/en/news/723/se...why-antonio-conte-is-being-tried-for-sporting
https://www.goal.com/en/news/723/se...why-antonio-conte-is-being-tried-for-sporting
From your own link:
"Carobbio's credibility has been repeatedly questioned, while it was also pointed out that not one other Siena player implicated Conte in the fix."

Quoting Luciano Gaucci is odd, to say the least, as he was a complete fraud.
He was personally involved in match fixing too, so it's a very self-serving statement.
The man's a bent nutcase that most notably signed Gaddafi's son, who was on drugs.
It wasn’t just one case. There were a host of reasons that meant we didn’t meet the criteria for player availability. Leicester, Newcastle and Burnley were getting lots of postponements approved. We didn’t break any rules and clearly had a valid enough argument to postpone the match.

Even now, some of your fans are trying to suggest that by delaying the NLD that has somehow given us this massive benefit and led to us being in pole position for 4th. If you follow the same line of thinking, I’d suggest you look at your own team’s results against the likes of Wolves, Southampton and Burnley, rather than the postponement of one match.
It was just one case. How many do you think it was?
You had other absentees, a number of which were down to your own choice. That's on you.
Our own results are irrelevant. We're not the only team that you're up against.
Yep. But it’s not. And with all the shady characters and sponsorships that’s been allowed in the league, I’m not sure what the point is of making this a moral issue now. The Premier League set this precedent years ago and now nearly every Premier League club is somewhat responsible for the misfortunes and exploitation of others. What exactly is it you’re trying to get prove with this? Nothing is going to materially change now.
You seem to be suggesting that this is a new stance from me. It's not.
I've been consistent about it for years if not decades.
****ty companies are one thing. Dictatorships and mafioso crooks are another.
Since you’re not willing to let this go, need I remind you it wasn’t so long ago you were sponsored by Hewlett-Packard, who have been complicit in the illegal occupation of Palestine and provide data centres/hardware to Israeli police and military? They’ve even been involved in projects related to checkpoints and control of the Palestinians in occupied territories.

https://whoprofits.org/updates/hewlett-packard-hp-and-the-israeli-occupation/
https://bdsmovement.net/boycott-hp

Like I said. Neither of us have a leg to stand on.
Selling computer products to Israel isn't remotely comparable to being a dictator. Sorry.
The guy quoted as an expert on this has his own section about antisemitism accusations on Wiki, by the way.
Hardly surprising, given his opinions on Ayatollah Khomeini, 9/11, Gaddafi and the Boston marathon bombing.
 
PNP, this is going to be my final post on this because we're just going round in circles here.

From your own link:
"Carobbio's credibility has been repeatedly questioned, while it was also pointed out that not one other Siena player implicated Conte in the fix."

Quoting Luciano Gaucci is odd, to say the least, as he was a complete fraud.
He was personally involved in match fixing too, so it's a very self-serving statement.
The man's a bent nutcase that most notably signed Gaddafi's son, who was on drugs.

Be that as it may, it doesn't change the fact that match-fixing and gambling within Italian football has been going on for ages. You can track it back to the 1960s if you want. So whilst it may have been a self-serving statement, he's not entirely wrong. Conte may not have directly been involved in match-fixing scandals, but during his period of time as a player/coach in Italy, and during Calciopoli, it's extremely difficult to believe he had no knowledge of relevance to what was happening.

If you think that the dodgy Italian authorities clearing him is good enough to prove his innocence, that's your prerogative. But I don't.

It was just one case. How many do you think it was?
You had other absentees, a number of which were down to your own choice. That's on you.
Our own results are irrelevant. We're not the only team that you're up against.

I don't understand what you don't get about this. Whatever the reasons were, the fact remains we did not have enough first-team players available to field for a Premier League match. The Premier League agreed with us and took the decision to delay the match until further notice.

I agree that your own results are irrelevant. But you should tell that to your other supporters who seem to think it's given us some distinct advantage when it hasn't. Especially as it means a backlog of fixtures later on in the season.

You seem to be suggesting that this is a new stance from me. It's not.
I've been consistent about it for years if not decades.
****ty companies are one thing. Dictatorships and mafioso crooks are another.

And you've got previous history of assisting ****ty companies and corrupt governments. The underlying tone of your posts suggests to me that Chelsea, Man United, Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal all have bent owners/sponsorships (or have benefited from such), whereas Spurs are clean as a whistle.

If that's what you think, then you're wrong.

Selling computer products to Israel isn't remotely comparable to being a dictator. Sorry.
The guy quoted as an expert on this has his own section about antisemitism accusations on Wiki, by the way.
Hardly surprising, given his opinions on Ayatollah Khomeini, 9/11, Gaddafi and the Boston marathon bombing.

First of all, no-one is comparing anything. Dictatorships are bad, as are companies who directly aid the oppression and subjugation of others.

Secondly, I don't know what guy you're on about, but there are plenty of references and articles of HP's involvement in the illegal occupation. 'Selling computer products' is another mischaracterisation of what they're doing over there and glosses over their active involvement with racist institutions like the Israeli military and police force.

If you want to make excuses for them, that's up to you. But don't pretend like you've not had extremely dodgy organisations/institutions involved with your club.