Match Day Thread Hull City v Coventry

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Alright, I'm looking at Hull City Fans Page on Facebook and I wasn't aware there was another one. I know now. So I'm wrong and I admit it. Apologies given where due.

There’s only 606 mate so keep yourself on here

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

There’s only 606 mate so keep yourself on here

Thanks Chazz, I've had a few nods actually. Here your are then, following that depressing show yesterday. 45 days, from last Thursday, and things should be entirely different. It would help, IMO, if we put on a united front whilst the club is in trouble on the field. The current regime is coming to an end.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Thanks Chazz, I've had a few nods actually. Here your are then, following that depressing show yesterday. 45 days, from last Thursday, and things should be entirely different. It would help, IMO, if we put on a united front whilst the club is in trouble on the field. The current regime is coming to an end.

I agree.
When the team needed the fans all they could muster was sacked in the morning.
That’s poor.

 

[Off The Line]

I couldn't help myself Chazz. The blokes a prat.

"When doing my training in the army during drill, I was right marker...One day on the command of right turn, I turned left and marched smartly away from the rest of the squad".

A right marker would have turned left into the rest of the squad. No matter which way a squad is facing, the person at the far right, in the front rank is always the Right Marker.

Pedantic I know, but for ****s sake...

Aren't you just delightful.

 

[GEvans76]

We need to sell out our allocation for the Barnsley game and get behind the lads before the international break.
West Brom is a free hit I just hope we don’t get hammered.

 

[The Omega Man]

Aren't you just delightful.

I would rather be delightful than a prat. Perhaps if he hadn’t posted like he did on the Mental Health thread, I wouldn’t have bothered, but he is a prat.

 

[dennisboothstash]

I agree.
When the team needed the fans all they could muster was sacked in the morning.
That’s poor.

Not true
There were the classic ‘how **** must you be it only 1-0’ and ‘you’re nothing special we lose every week’ sung

Not my bag.

To be fair there were other positive songs, but the situation is toxic. Changes are needed.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Not one single chant of ‘you’re only here for the culture.’

Most disappointing.

 

[Jackthecap]

Acun Ilicalli is due to attend today.

Was here there and did he go to Istanbul in Bev for his dinner?

 

[Off The Line]

I would rather be delightful than a prat. Perhaps if he hadn’t posted like he did on the Mental Health thread, I wouldn’t have bothered, but he is a prat.

I've just read it. As far as I can tell, he was just being authentic.

 

[WSTiger]

I couldn't help myself Chazz. The blokes a prat.

"When doing my training in the army during drill, I was right marker...One day on the command of right turn, I turned left and marched smartly away from the rest of the squad".

A right marker would have turned left into the rest of the squad. No matter which way a squad is facing, the person at the far right, in the front rank is always the Right Marker.

Pedantic I know, but for ****s sake...

Not quite a seque but I cannot resist telling one of my favorite drill sargeant retorts to me and my fellow apprentices when one of us went the wrong way on the command left or right turn in threes-"its your Army left not your civilian left". I use it to this day 62 years later when my wife gives me a wrong turn when she is navigating in the car,

 

[The Omega Man]

I've just read it. As far as I can tell, he was just being authentic.

You actually believe him? For ****s sake, I suppose you think Coronation Street is reality tv.

 

[brownbagtiger]

to be fair, the people I noticed who started in the "sacked in the morning" chants were also the most vocal in "come on city" and general encouragement as well. The vast majority of any negativity was directed at the manager - true there was some at the players, although not that much more than the usual frustration at a bad bit of play that you get at the best of times.

I can't believe that with our current run of results, people are surprised when fans express their frustration in time the usual way.

 

[addistiger]

I am sorry to have another go at you. But what a load of self indulgent ****e.

Self-indulgent I agree and you can 'have a go' at me as much as you like but just reminiscences of someone rapidly becoming an old fart - and none of it is a work of fiction. Nothing to be gained in posting fictional stories here.

 

[Off The Line]

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[Off The Line]

Self-indulgent I agree and you can 'have a go' at me as much as you like but just reminiscences of someone rapidly becoming an old fart - and none of it is a work of fiction. Nothing to be gained in posting fictional stories here.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[The Omega Man]

Self-indulgent I agree and you can 'have a go' at me as much as you like but just reminiscences of someone rapidly becoming an old fart - and none of it is a work of fiction. Nothing to be gained in posting fictional stories here.

I am not going to waste my time on you, or your "mate". The simply fact is that we have plenty of posters who reminisce all of the time. But if you tell a story, it has to add up and in your case two of your posts don't.

 

[addistiger]

I've just read it. As far as I can tell, he was just being authentic.

An authentic prat!

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

Not quite a seque but I cannot resist telling one of my favorite drill sargeant retorts to me and my fellow apprentices when one of us went the wrong way on the command left or right turn in threes-"its your Army left not your civilian left". I use it to this day 62 years later when my wife gives me a wrong turn when she is navigating in the car,

Which I'll seque into the following tale:

About twenty years ago my Missus was driving us through rural France, with two mewling kids in the back of the car, and the stress levels were going through the roof. Every time I said right, she went left and, indeed, vice versa.

I even tried gauche et droite, but to no avail.

Eventually, and close to divorce proceedings, we stopped at an Aire, and she stomped off to collect her thoughts in the toilet.


We started up again.

I said turn right and she turned right.

I said turn left and she turned left.


By jove, I thought, I think she's got it.


Indeed she had. Thanks to writing L on the back of her left hand and R on the back of her right hand.


And we proceeded in perfect harmony.


I suggested that she make them permanent tattoos but she resisted that and just writes them on whenever necessary.

 

[Red top reader]

What a poor displa
For all the talk on here

With only a couple of things on your list of mitigating factors different, your list is almost the same as the ones used by McCann season before last.
So many of the kinds of comments on here also echo that season, with similar comments on coaching, players and systems. mostly negative.
If I may be so bold as to offer some points for debate:
Systems; it's not about systems. It's about fluidity, good organisation and being well drilled. Our Div. 3 Championship side played 2, 3, 5, as did most sides at that time. But it was a fluid system where players knew their roles in both attack and defence. How many on here have commented on here about our defence at corners - it's like watching American football with our players looking to block off forwards and not looking at the ball. Are they coached to do this? All it does is allow attackers to either drag defenders out of position or out muscle. I've never been a great player or had coaching but it was all about watching the ball. At a corner there is an instinct at play as you see how the taker is shaping up and moves, then strikes the ball - anticipation, the defender can then stand his ground or move, attacking players also watched of course but maybe more through peripheral vision.
Any system can work well with a well drilled defence and holding midfielder who may drop into defence - especially with wing-backs where one going forward can still easily be a back 4. 5 midfielders/strikers can then be more creative and fluid in terms of knowing each others strengths, weaknesses and preferences.
Players; quality? There's much in football history, and even in recent times, that shows teams with mediocre or 'lower league' players, maybe with a touch of youth and creativity, can do very well. One can argue that we have that. I would suggest though that most examples of successful teams of that description that anyone here could suggest, had a well drilled defence. That doesn't mean playing defensively, but defence-mindedly.
Whilst players may not always be the brightest of sparks I'm sure they know when they don'y know what they're doing - and don't seem to know their, or each others, roles. This is where confidence drops. Players, nay people, need drilling. Drill breeds confidence.
When I say drill I speak as a former member of the military and a teacher - I know the importance of drill, and of course that it takes different forms with different people in different environments - but it requires clear leadership and structure.

If I may digress somewhat with an amusing anecdote, though not entirely a digression. When doing my training in the army during drill, I was right marker (for those who don't know that meas the whole squad takes their positioning from you, both when at attention and on the march. When a marching squad turns there is a second or two of adjustment - to the right marker). My weakness was being left-handed (again for those who don't know many/most of us lefties naturally think our left is the right had - and we have to think carefully). One day on the command of right turn, I turned left and marched smartly away from the rest of the squad, upon realisation, an embarrassed scuttle back to assume my position ensued. Yes, the stuff of comedy film I know. Drill continued. As we marched off the parade ground I heard the sound of the studded, bulled boots of the drill corporal marching to my side. As we marched stiffly, me more than most as I tried to stifle any sense of a tremble, he leant over and whispered in my ear, '"Grant, a ****load of whatever levels but f*** all sense."

It was not sense I lacked but concentration. Doesn't matter what the discipline; dance, music, theatre (I'm an actor too), marching, formation flying or swimming - anything we do as a group needs structure and a leader to direct - even enforce it. Boy did I concentrate more after the above humiliation.
A good leader though has to know his own, and his team's strengths and limitations, and act accordingly.

So too in footy. No difference. Sometimes we have to play out of position but if we 'know the drill' mistakes can be kept to a minimum. We've all seen players play out of position but worked hard, concentrated (cos they're left-handed in a right-handed world), were well drilled and did ok, even well.

Drill breeds confidence, and creativity follows!

Coaching. I think it's clear from the above what I think about coaching and perhaps McCann.
I've come off stage when the general comment amongst us was, "J/G......... we were ****e tonight." With the retort, "Yeah but they loved it!"
It concerns me that McCann says it's the performance that matters, no it's the result. And the audience determines the result - even if the result is the fans standing and applauding the team off after a heroic defeat.
BUT, even if the audience applauded and cheered our ****e, we knew we had to be better otherwise the next night's audience may not be so easily fooled. So we upped our game.
Boro game a case in point. We were ****e often and lucky - but got the result.
It also concerns be that McCann relies a lot on data. That speaks to me of someone mediocre with hardly a creative spark in their soul. The world of education and I dare say numerous other sectors these days is full of mediocre leaders who do not understand data, or how to use it, but come to reply on it to cover their mediocrity.
This stifles fluidity, creativity and even common sense.
Out beautiful game is a creative art, and we as an audience love those who push the boundaries - but the boundaries can only be pushed when based on a solid structure. And only then can errors be corrected and limited.
Some actors are known to not learn their lines and ad lib on stage but there has to be those who know their, and the other actor's lines to bring them back to where they should be - the structure. Even with what may be called today 'free-styling' such as in jazz, the musician or vocalist goes off on their own but the drummer brings them back to the beat then they re-find the melody.

If I may, another anecdote. Once when performing in a 3 act epic play with a big cast, an actor said a line which took us from Act 2 back to Act 1, granted it was a very similar line, but the only way to get back on track was to repeat the whole of Act 1, then skip parts of Act 2. On top of that the whole set, which was huge, collapsed forward onto the stage during a battle scene, fortunately just before the interval. Despite the chaotic calamities we got the longest standing ovation. did the audience know? Who knows but it was a triumph from our perspective - we felt it, the audience felt it, what a night.

But the point is, the structure, and good direction allowed us to improvise - be creative.

I rest my case - I think. Sorry about the length. I bid ye goodnight and blessings to those who fell asleep attempting to read read it. A thousand blessings to those who do read it.

I have to add as an edit that in mitigation for this post I have had 3 stiff whiskeys and a spliff in self-condolence after today's shamples!
Whoops, SHAMBLES!

Almost lost the will to live after reading all that lost me at “ with “ back to the beer norm….