Match Day Thread Hull City v Coventry

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originallambrettaman said:
Randel Williams and Tyler Smith walked out the ground just before kick off, looking rather pissed off (allegedly).
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Apparently GM said Tyler Smith non attendance in the squad is just a selection issue. To quote he said we have 8 strikers so 2 will always miss out. 8 bloody strikers and we can’t score. The whole place is a **** show.
 
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jhe10 said:
It looked like we were playing undercover super secret 3-5-2 to begin with, and the player had only been told an hour before kick off. The full backs pushed much further forward and Smallwood dropped into the back 3. This was probabky the cause of the first goal as Smallwood was the one miles behind everyone else and playing their guy onside. As for Eaves, I watched him closely and counted the number of times he controlled a ball and successfully passed to a team mate. Once. Unless you count the time his misplaced pass hit an opponent and rebounded to a City player. Twice in that case.
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Agree, other than it really wasn't 3 at the back to start with (I'd say it was suppossed to be 4 2 3 1, but of course Emmanuel likes to bomb forward, as does Elder to be fair. Whatever it was, it was an utter mess, and the players looked lost. It did change to a clear 3 at the back when Smallwood went off and McLoughlin came on, and they looked at least a bit more comfortable with it then).
Anyway, main point, re. Smallwood, why on earth does he so regularly do that? He should be made to watch videos of Ashbee all this week, to see how that role should be done.
 
originallambrettaman said:
We started the game just like we've started every game except Boro, there was a front three of KLP. Eaves and Moncur, the latter two were atrocious.

When McLoughlin came on I thought we were finally going 3-5-2, but we went 3-4-3 instead, though at least we looked better defensively (the players quite clearly look more comfortable with three at the back and McLoughlin was the best of the three).

What's happened to Tyler Smith, there's never been any mention of him being injured?
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Tyler Smith was seen storming out just before kick off and driving away
 
addistiger said:
What a poor displa
For all the talk on here

With only a couple of things on your list of mitigating factors different, your list is almost the same as the ones used by McCann season before last.
So many of the kinds of comments on here also echo that season, with similar comments on coaching, players and systems. mostly negative.
If I may be so bold as to offer some points for debate:
Systems; it's not about systems. It's about fluidity, good organisation and being well drilled. Our Div. 3 Championship side played 2, 3, 5, as did most sides at that time. But it was a fluid system where players knew their roles in both attack and defence. How many on here have commented on here about our defence at corners - it's like watching American football with our players looking to block off forwards and not looking at the ball. Are they coached to do this? All it does is allow attackers to either drag defenders out of position or out muscle. I've never been a great player or had coaching but it was all about watching the ball. At a corner there is an instinct at play as you see how the taker is shaping up and moves, then strikes the ball - anticipation, the defender can then stand his ground or move, attacking players also watched of course but maybe more through peripheral vision.
Any system can work well with a well drilled defence and holding midfielder who may drop into defence - especially with wing-backs where one going forward can still easily be a back 4. 5 midfielders/strikers can then be more creative and fluid in terms of knowing each others strengths, weaknesses and preferences.
Players; quality? There's much in football history, and even in recent times, that shows teams with mediocre or 'lower league' players, maybe with a touch of youth and creativity, can do very well. One can argue that we have that. I would suggest though that most examples of successful teams of that description that anyone here could suggest, had a well drilled defence. That doesn't mean playing defensively, but defence-mindedly.
Whilst players may not always be the brightest of sparks I'm sure they know when they don'y know what they're doing - and don't seem to know their, or each others, roles. This is where confidence drops. Players, nay people, need drilling. Drill breeds confidence.
When I say drill I speak as a former member of the military and a teacher - I know the importance of drill, and of course that it takes different forms with different people in different environments - but it requires clear leadership and structure.

If I may digress somewhat with an amusing anecdote, though not entirely a digression. When doing my training in the army during drill, I was right marker (for those who don't know that meas the whole squad takes their positioning from you, both when at attention and on the march. When a marching squad turns there is a second or two of adjustment - to the right marker). My weakness was being left-handed (again for those who don't know many/most of us lefties naturally think our left is the right had - and we have to think carefully). One day on the command of right turn, I turned left and marched smartly away from the rest of the squad, upon realisation, an embarrassed scuttle back to assume my position ensued. Yes, the stuff of comedy film I know. Drill continued. As we marched off the parade ground I heard the sound of the studded, bulled boots of the drill corporal marching to my side. As we marched stiffly, me more than most as I tried to stifle any sense of a tremble, he leant over and whispered in my ear, '"Grant, a ****load of whatever levels but f*** all sense."

It was not sense I lacked but concentration. Doesn't matter what the discipline; dance, music, theatre (I'm an actor too), marching, formation flying or swimming - anything we do as a group needs structure and a leader to direct - even enforce it. Boy did I concentrate more after the above humiliation.
A good leader though has to know his own, and his team's strengths and limitations, and act accordingly.

So too in footy. No difference. Sometimes we have to play out of position but if we 'know the drill' mistakes can be kept to a minimum. We've all seen players play out of position but worked hard, concentrated (cos they're left-handed in a right-handed world), were well drilled and did ok, even well.

Drill breeds confidence, and creativity follows!

Coaching. I think it's clear from the above what I think about coaching and perhaps McCann.
I've come off stage when the general comment amongst us was, "J/G......... we were ****e tonight." With the retort, "Yeah but they loved it!"
It concerns me that McCann says it's the performance that matters, no it's the result. And the audience determines the result - even if the result is the fans standing and applauding the team off after a heroic defeat.
BUT, even if the audience applauded and cheered our ****e, we knew we had to be better otherwise the next night's audience may not be so easily fooled. So we upped our game.
Boro game a case in point. We were ****e often and lucky - but got the result.
It also concerns be that McCann relies a lot on data. That speaks to me of someone mediocre with hardly a creative spark in their soul. The world of education and I dare say numerous other sectors these days is full of mediocre leaders who do not understand data, or how to use it, but come to reply on it to cover their mediocrity.
This stifles fluidity, creativity and even common sense.
Out beautiful game is a creative art, and we as an audience love those who push the boundaries - but the boundaries can only be pushed when based on a solid structure. And only then can errors be corrected and limited.
Some actors are known to not learn their lines and ad lib on stage but there has to be those who know their, and the other actor's lines to bring them back to where they should be - the structure. Even with what may be called today 'free-styling' such as in jazz, the musician or vocalist goes off on their own but the drummer brings them back to the beat then they re-find the melody.

If I may, another anecdote. Once when performing in a 3 act epic play with a big cast, an actor said a line which took us from Act 2 back to Act 1, granted it was a very similar line, but the only way to get back on track was to repeat the whole of Act 1, then skip parts of Act 2. On top of that the whole set, which was huge, collapsed forward onto the stage during a battle scene, fortunately just before the interval. Despite the chaotic calamities we got the longest standing ovation. did the audience know? Who knows but it was a triumph from our perspective - we felt it, the audience felt it, what a night.

But the point is, the structure, and good direction allowed us to improvise - be creative.

I rest my case - I think. Sorry about the length. I bid ye goodnight and blessings to those who fell asleep attempting to read read it. A thousand blessings to those who do read it.

I have to add as an edit that in mitigation for this post I have had 3 stiff whiskeys and a spliff in self-condolence after today's shamples!
Whoops, SHAMBLES!
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I am sorry to have another go at you. But what a load of self indulgent ****e.
 
Top_Tiger said:
Sure he was sat next to Huddlestone all game.
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Coaching Suggestions.
1. If playing Eaves have KLP somewhere near him instead of 25 yds away .
2. Teach KLP to move towards the incoming pass so he doesn’t get caught receiving possession as often as he does - he isn’t strong enough to do this or is waiting for a foul that doesn’t come - alternatively stick his arse out like the Brazilian we had the other year who was brilliant at it.
3. Get KLP to do more rubs in the channels or at mangles to give the midfield a forward pass opportunity !
4. Mcann doesn’t see the east stand side , Elder time after time could have pushed up the wing to almost level with their defence for through ball to the byline - he daren’t so when he got it he still had two to bypass . 4
5. Give them all a bit more freedom to overlap etc at pace they look scared to move out of a zone.
6. Play three at the back
7. Get the Doc to look up more to see other choices- maybe it’s a confidence thing?
Feel free to debate without resorting insults or add your own coaching suggestions - team selection only allowed if you include a coaching suggestion.
 
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Just seen the goal back. The danger starts with Bernard storming out of position to try and tackle someone as usual while Emmanuel was already high up the wing, leaving the back four in a total mess. Greaves is pulled out to the right to cover and Smallwood tries to fill the gap in the centre but ends up playing Godden onside. Total mess. Can't wait for Jones to be fit again.
 
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Tried to keep an eye on on formation during the game but it got too confusing. At one point it looked like 4-1-3-2 but changed when Smallwood went off. There was a lot of grumbling near us about two at the back, but that was because Elder and Emmanuel were pushing so high it just left Greaves and Bernard behind. Greaves looked much happier in the second half and did some good stuff.
 
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springtiger said:
Coaching Suggestions.
1. If playing Eaves have KLP somewhere near him instead of 25 yds away .
2. Teach KLP to move towards the incoming pass so he doesn’t get caught receiving possession as often as he does - he isn’t strong enough to do this or is waiting for a foul that doesn’t come - alternatively stick his arse out like the Brazilian we had the other year who was brilliant at it.
3. Get KLP to do more rubs in the channels or at mangles to give the midfield a forward pass opportunity !
4. Mcann doesn’t see the east stand side , Elder time after time could have pushed up the wing to almost level with their defence for through ball to the byline - he daren’t so when he got it he still had two to bypass . 4
5. Give them all a bit more freedom to overlap etc at pace they look scared to move out of a zone.
6. Play three at the back
7. Get the Doc to look up more to see other choices- maybe it’s a confidence thing?
Feel free to debate without resorting insults or add your own coaching suggestions - team selection only allowed if you include a coaching suggestion.
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is no 3 told in the style of the French policeman in allo allo?
 
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PLT said:
Just seen the goal back. The danger starts with Bernard storming out of position to try and tackle someone as usual while Emmanuel was already high up the wing, leaving the back four in a total mess. Greaves is pulled out to the right to cover and Smallwood tries to fill the gap in the centre but ends up playing Godden onside. Total mess. Can't wait for Jones to be fit again.
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Not see it yet
But if true what you say then Bernard doesn’t know again when to stick or twist
I do remember greaves making a tackle way over on the right
Elder appeared to have two to mark.
Same with Emmanuel he was always unsure whether he should be pushing high up on their wing back or been a right back!
It was a **** show
The team showed they could play 3-5-2 against boro
While yesterday no one knew where any one else should be
There was still effort all over the pitch but just headless chickens
 
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