Match Day Thread Hull City v Coventry

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addistiger said:
What a poor displa
For all the talk on here

With only a couple of things on your list of mitigating factors different, your list is almost the same as the ones used by McCann season before last.
So many of the kinds of comments on here also echo that season, with similar comments on coaching, players and systems. mostly negative.
If I may be so bold as to offer some points for debate:
Systems; it's not about systems. It's about fluidity, good organisation and being well drilled. Our Div. 3 Championship side played 2, 3, 5, as did most sides at that time. But it was a fluid system where players knew their roles in both attack and defence. How many on here have commented on here about our defence at corners - it's like watching American football with our players looking to block off forwards and not looking at the ball. Are they coached to do this? All it does is allow attackers to either drag defenders out of position or out muscle. I've never been a great player or had coaching but it was all about watching the ball. At a corner there is an instinct at play as you see how the taker is shaping up and moves, then strikes the ball - anticipation, the defender can then stand his ground or move, attacking players also watched of course but maybe more through peripheral vision.
Any system can work well with a well drilled defence and holding midfielder who may drop into defence - especially with wing-backs where one going forward can still easily be a back 4. 5 midfielders/strikers can then be more creative and fluid in terms of knowing each others strengths, weaknesses and preferences.
Players; quality? There's much in football history, and even in recent times, that shows teams with mediocre or 'lower league' players, maybe with a touch of youth and creativity, can do very well. One can argue that we have that. I would suggest though that most examples of successful teams of that description that anyone here could suggest, had a well drilled defence. That doesn't mean playing defensively, but defence-mindedly.
Whilst players may not always be the brightest of sparks I'm sure they know when they don'y know what they're doing - and don't seem to know their, or each others, roles. This is where confidence drops. Players, nay people, need drilling. Drill breeds confidence.
When I say drill I speak as a former member of the military and a teacher - I know the importance of drill, and of course that it takes different forms with different people in different environments - but it requires clear leadership and structure.

If I may digress somewhat with an amusing anecdote, though not entirely a digression. When doing my training in the army during drill, I was right marker (for those who don't know that meas the whole squad takes their positioning from you, both when at attention and on the march. When a marching squad turns there is a second or two of adjustment - to the right marker). My weakness was being left-handed (again for those who don't know many/most of us lefties naturally think our left is the right had - and we have to think carefully). One day on the command of right turn, I turned left and marched smartly away from the rest of the squad, upon realisation, an embarrassed scuttle back to assume my position ensued. Yes, the stuff of comedy film I know. Drill continued. As we marched off the parade ground I heard the sound of the studded, bulled boots of the drill corporal marching to my side. As we marched stiffly, me more than most as I tried to stifle any sense of a tremble, he leant over and whispered in my ear, '"Grant, a ****load of whatever levels but f*** all sense."

It was not sense I lacked but concentration. Doesn't matter what the discipline; dance, music, theatre (I'm an actor too), marching, formation flying or swimming - anything we do as a group needs structure and a leader to direct - even enforce it. Boy did I concentrate more after the above humiliation.
A good leader though has to know his own, and his team's strengths and limitations, and act accordingly.

So too in footy. No difference. Sometimes we have to play out of position but if we 'know the drill' mistakes can be kept to a minimum. We've all seen players play out of position but worked hard, concentrated (cos they're left-handed in a right-handed world), were well drilled and did ok, even well.

Drill breeds confidence, and creativity follows!

Coaching. I think it's clear from the above what I think about coaching and perhaps McCann.
I've come off stage when the general comment amongst us was, "J/G......... we were ****e tonight." With the retort, "Yeah but they loved it!"
It concerns me that McCann says it's the performance that matters, no it's the result. And the audience determines the result - even if the result is the fans standing and applauding the team off after a heroic defeat.
BUT, even if the audience applauded and cheered our ****e, we knew we had to be better otherwise the next night's audience may not be so easily fooled. So we upped our game.
Boro game a case in point. We were ****e often and lucky - but got the result.
It also concerns be that McCann relies a lot on data. That speaks to me of someone mediocre with hardly a creative spark in their soul. The world of education and I dare say numerous other sectors these days is full of mediocre leaders who do not understand data, or how to use it, but come to reply on it to cover their mediocrity.
This stifles fluidity, creativity and even common sense.
Out beautiful game is a creative art, and we as an audience love those who push the boundaries - but the boundaries can only be pushed when based on a solid structure. And only then can errors be corrected and limited.
Some actors are known to not learn their lines and ad lib on stage but there has to be those who know their, and the other actor's lines to bring them back to where they should be - the structure. Even with what may be called today 'free-styling' such as in jazz, the musician or vocalist goes off on their own but the drummer brings them back to the beat then they re-find the melody.

If I may, another anecdote. Once when performing in a 3 act epic play with a big cast, an actor said a line which took us from Act 2 back to Act 1, granted it was a very similar line, but the only way to get back on track was to repeat the whole of Act 1, then skip parts of Act 2. On top of that the whole set, which was huge, collapsed forward onto the stage during a battle scene, fortunately just before the interval. Despite the chaotic calamities we got the longest standing ovation. did the audience know? Who knows but it was a triumph from our perspective - we felt it, the audience felt it, what a night.

But the point is, the structure, and good direction allowed us to improvise - be creative.

I rest my case - I think. Sorry about the length. I bid ye goodnight and blessings to those who fell asleep attempting to read read it. A thousand blessings to those who do read it.

I have to add as an edit that in mitigation for this post I have had 3 stiff whiskeys and a spliff in self-condolence after today's shamples!
Whoops, SHAMBLES!
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At last, I have found my contemporary. Sans 'spliff'. but I like my whisky's (no 'e' ) stiff.
 
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Mckechnie Orange said:
K'ninel mate.

Calm down. Quite some splurge there.
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I assume my friend given your 'monica' you are of a similar era to me.
Sometimes I just feel like writing on here - no idea why, perhaps because I know few will read it.
Totally off topic, though perhaps of greater concern than the plight of our Tigers, but whilst writing my splurge I have been listening to a playlist on YouTube.
Nothing of concern there one may think. But I am listening to it on a smart TV, not new but newly acquired from my daughter. I have not logged on to my YouTube nor logged off hers, if it is indeed still logged on, I just plugged it in, went to YouTube, selected 1 song, then after it started playing a playlist which seems just like one I may have created for myself. Not only weird but rather sinister!
 
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ThunderCityAFC said:
At last, I have found my contemporary. Sans 'spliff'. but I like my whisky's (no 'e' ) stiff.
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Sorry about the 'e'. I think it depends on whether Irish or Scotch. Since mine's a cheap Tesco 'Special Reserve' I'm sure it matters little, especially as it's half and half with dry ginger to make it palatable. I do like a good one though, with or without the 'e',
 
addistiger said:
Sorry about the 'e'. I think it depends on whether Irish or Scotch. Since mine's a cheap Tesco 'Special Reserve' I'm sure it matters little, especially as it's half and half with dry ginger to make it palatable. I do like a good one though, with or without the 'e',
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If you know not the importance of the 'e', then you are a ****ing tramp drinking stuff what you have just nicked off of Sainsbury's on Prinny Ave. Away with you, Charlatan.
 
ThunderCityAFC said:
Here's an Idea. Take a ****ing English flag to an English football match that is being contested between two English football teams, Champ.
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Must agree with this; moronic stewards.
However, from another perspective I have to admit to some misgivings when I heard about potential Turkish owners. I lived in Istanbul for about 6 months and am afraid I left with the conclusion that Turks are mad. At that time (approx. 25 yrs ago), Istanbul was constantly awash with the national flag. Never witnessed a more nationalistic bunch of people. I was there teaching - every classroom had to have an image of and quotes from Ataturk pinned on the wall - and I was not in a Turkish school! I went to a Besiktas game. Their stadium right in downtown Istanbul. They won the game and with it the Champions title, for once beating their fierce yet stronger rivals of Fenerbace and Galetaseray (can't be arsed to get spelling right). Fans in the streets afterwards went crazy, cars driving around with guys sitting outside the car windows and many, and I mean many, shooting live ammunition into the air. The din was unbelievable and went on for hours. I was sitting in a roadside cafe not far from the ground and couldn't move - just too dangerous to try to go anywhere - and of course it was all joyous and good humoured as they celebrated! There were later reports that some supporters had gone out on a balcony in their flat, shot into the air with rifles and inadvertently shot some people on the balcony above. Hence my conclusion re madness!
I have not travelled much in the middle/near east but my times in Turkey and later Egypt have made me wonder. I've never come across peoples where young men behave as though they are pissed out of their minds, without any alcohol! - especially in the evenings during ramadan. Turks - hmmmm - not so sure - what did the potential new owner say about the Turkish flag flying over football? Sounds a bit mad to me - but then we've got Egyptians, why not try the Turks - will be interesting, even fun!
 
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addistiger said:
I assume my friend given your 'monica' you are of a similar era to me.
Sometimes I just feel like writing on here - no idea why, perhaps because I know few will read it.
Totally off topic, though perhaps of greater concern than the plight of our Tigers, but whilst writing my splurge I have been listening to a playlist on YouTube.
Nothing of concern there one may think. But I am listening to it on a smart TV, not new but newly acquired from my daughter. I have not logged on to my YouTube nor logged off hers, if it is indeed still logged on, I just plugged it in, went to YouTube, selected 1 song, then after it started playing a playlist which seems just like one I may have created for myself. Not only weird but rather sinister!
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Beware the algorithm.

Witchcraft.
 
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ThunderCityAFC said:
Here's an Idea. Take a ****ing English flag to an English football match that is being contested between two English football teams, Champ.
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I suspect it was an English flag. I doubt he went to Turkey specifically to buy it.
Mind you lots of Union Flags and England flags are Chinese and possibly Turkish anyway.
Who knows.

Seriously though it was kids messing around, and unless you’re suggesting flags of other nations shouldn’t be allowed in then presumably an England flag would be just as dangerous and removed?
 
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We started the game just like we've started every game except Boro, there was a front three of KLP. Eaves and Moncur, the latter two were atrocious.

When McLoughlin came on I thought we were finally going 3-5-2, but we went 3-4-3 instead, though at least we looked better defensively (the players quite clearly look more comfortable with three at the back and McLoughlin was the best of the three).

What's happened to Tyler Smith, there's never been any mention of him being injured?
 
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originallambrettaman said:
We started the game just like we've started every game except Boro, there was a front three of KLP. Eaves and Moncur, the latter two were atrocious.

When McLoughlin came on I thought we were finally going 3-5-2, but we went 3-4-3 instead, though at least we looked better defensively (the players quite clearly look more comfortable with three at the back and McLoughlin was the best of the three).

What's happened to Tyler Smith, there's never been any mention of him being injured?
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We really didn’t
Klp was alongside eaves centrally not hugging the touch line like he does in a 4-3-3
And moncur was in midfield not up front and he was awful.
So were the the rest of the midfield.
No lack of effort just no direction or idea how to play.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
We really didn’t
Klp was alongside eaves centrally not hugging the touch line like he does in a 4-3-3
And moncur was in midfield not up front and he was awful.
So were the the rest of the midfield.
No lack of effort just no direction or idea how to play.
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I think we can all agree that at times we were all over the shop!
 
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It looked like we were playing undercover super secret 3-5-2 to begin with, and the player had only been told an hour before kick off. The full backs pushed much further forward and Smallwood dropped into the back 3. This was probabky the cause of the first goal as Smallwood was the one miles behind everyone else and playing their guy onside. As for Eaves, I watched him closely and counted the number of times he controlled a ball and successfully passed to a team mate. Once. Unless you count the time his misplaced pass hit an opponent and rebounded to a City player. Twice in that case.
 
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