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I know for a fact I'm at least 50% not British, with my dad being an immigrant (sodded off back home some time ago though). Not sure about my mum's side, certainly grandparents were both English, but never been too bothered about looking at our genealogy.
 
Anyone know how long it takes for Amazon to put money back in your account from a return?

Ordered a coat off there, it was too big. Sent it back via drop off the day after it arrived which will be around two weeks ago this Friday.

It arrived back at the Amazon location four days after I sent it back. No money from them though.
 
Anyone know how long it takes for Amazon to put money back in your account from a return?

Ordered a coat off there, it was too big. Sent it back via drop off the day after it arrived which will be around two weeks ago this Friday.

It arrived back at the Amazon location four days after I sent it back. No money from them though.

It says between 5-7 days I believe but usually takes 2-3. I'd be chasing them mate
 
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Anyone know how long it takes for Amazon to put money back in your account from a return?

Ordered a coat off there, it was too big. Sent it back via drop off the day after it arrived which will be around two weeks ago this Friday.

It arrived back at the Amazon location four days after I sent it back. No money from them though.


Over here there are a few stores who partner with Amazon that let you drop things off for return without having to deal with sending them back in the mail... Money back is withing 15 mins. I believe they say if you mail things back they refund you when they receive the package.

Either way would have thought you would be refunded by now, but don't know if UK Amazon works exactly same way.
 
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Over here there are a few stores who partner with Amazon that let you drop things off for return without having to deal with sending them back in the mail... Money back is withing 15 mins. I believe they say if you mail things back they refund you when they receive the package.

Either way would have thought you would be refunded by now, but don't know if UK Amazon works exactly same way.

What I ordered came from the States for some reason (ordered from Amazon UK) and went back there, I don't know if that will make any difference.
 
for those interested

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-58499827

interesting little segment where ferdinand has been speaking about online hate.
Reading through the timeline it is very interesting. Very good comments from Rio about social media 'normalising' abuse so it spills over into stadiums. Can't disagree with anything he's said there.

The comments from the LGBT person go somewhat against the other 'witnesses' in that while the others are advocating for users having to use their real names, they want online anonymity to stay stating that real names could put users in danger. Story of a person in Africa using their real name and being arrested for coming out as gay. I don't think it's wise coming out about anything online whether that's your sexuality or, as the term suggests, anything that people don't already know about you. If there's a risk, don't do it. Join an online group of like minded people behind some kind of wall, invitation only kind of thing if you feel you need to be online at all.

Racism is completely different. People of colour don't have the luxury of hiding their colour and why should they. You could say that gay people shouldn't have to hide their sexuality either and I agree but if you know there is a risk then you can choose to hide it, black people can't. If a first step is to do away with anonymity then an impasse has already been reached.
 
I don't think it's wise coming out about anything online whether that's your sexuality or, as the term suggests, anything that people don't already know about you.

If in parts of Africa, the middle east, Russia... No, don't come out, the risks are too great. I think in most of the West we have got beyond that and whereas there may still be some risks, I think there is more benefit to coming out publicly.

By people all coming out, it helps make their circumstances and situation more visible. People will see that their, friend, brother, coworker, etc are all gay, bi, or furries. It makes more people realise that someone they love could be in a minority group and stop the hate.

Too dangerous in Russia, but in the west there is enough acceptance that the more dangerous thing is if everyone stayed quiet.
 
If in parts of Africa, the middle east, Russia... No, don't come out, the risks are too great. I think in most of the West we have got beyond that and whereas there may still be some risks, I think there is more benefit to coming out publicly.

By people all coming out, it helps make their circumstances and situation more visible. People will see that their, friend, brother, coworker, etc are all gay, bi, or furries. It makes more people realise that someone they love could be in a minority group and stop the hate.

Too dangerous in Russia, but in the west there is enough acceptance that the more dangerous thing is if everyone stayed quiet.
There are still homophobic attacks and murders in the west

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...pain-gay-man-samuel-luiz-beaten-death-galicia
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...amlets-murder-roy-kankanamalage-b1914051.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...t_LGBT_people_in_the_United_Kingdom#2010–2019
 
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If in parts of Africa, the middle east, Russia... No, don't come out, the risks are too great. I think in most of the West we have got beyond that and whereas there may still be some risks, I think there is more benefit to coming out publicly.

By people all coming out, it helps make their circumstances and situation more visible. People will see that their, friend, brother, coworker, etc are all gay, bi, or furries. It makes more people realise that someone they love could be in a minority group and stop the hate.

Too dangerous in Russia, but in the west there is enough acceptance that the more dangerous thing is if everyone stayed quiet.
I think you have to weigh up the benefits against the drawbacks. If there is even a slight risk then don't do it.

I understand what you're saying in the rest of your comment but making big personal announcements on Twitter is one of the reasons it's disliked so much. If this is the way people are communicating sensitive issues with their close family members then that's potentially a huge problem.
 
I think you have to weigh up the benefits against the drawbacks. If there is even a slight risk then don't do it.

I understand what you're saying in the rest of your comment but making big personal announcements on Twitter is one of the reasons it's disliked so much. If this is the way people are communicating sensitive issues with their close family members then that's potentially a huge problem.
if Twatter is the way people are communicating with close family members they have real problems never mind what they are communicating .
 
Reading through the timeline it is very interesting. Very good comments from Rio about social media 'normalising' abuse so it spills over into stadiums. Can't disagree with anything he's said there.

The comments from the LGBT person go somewhat against the other 'witnesses' in that while the others are advocating for users having to use their real names, they want online anonymity to stay stating that real names could put users in danger. Story of a person in Africa using their real name and being arrested for coming out as gay. I don't think it's wise coming out about anything online whether that's your sexuality or, as the term suggests, anything that people don't already know about you. If there's a risk, don't do it. Join an online group of like minded people behind some kind of wall, invitation only kind of thing if you feel you need to be online at all.

Racism is completely different. People of colour don't have the luxury of hiding their colour and why should they. You could say that gay people shouldn't have to hide their sexuality either and I agree but if you know there is a risk then you can choose to hide it, black people can't. If a first step is to do away with anonymity then an impasse has already been reached.
Hmmm, I don't think I'd put it like that.
Before I start I just want to say that the following is just my opinion, and I know others may differ.
Racism and other prejudices are far less acceptable now than they were when I was young. I'd say that social media are the last bastion of prejudices due to their anonymity, rather than a normalising influence. Racist and homophobic language has been at large in stadia for as long as I can remember.
Rather than making people abusive, I just think social media illustrates the extent to which that mind-set still exists.
On that timeline:
Imran Ahmed from the Centre for Countering Digital Hate said social media companies are "failing to act on anti-vaccine lies", failed to act on racism directed at sportspeople and failed to act on "misinformation" about US elections.
He's right, of course - but the problem with policing these things is twofold, imo. Firstly, you risk coming into conflict with the principles of free speech - obviously racism and homophobia come under the umbrella of hate-speech and can be prosecuted on that, but other forms of dangerous or subversive activities aren't so easy to define.
Secondly, conspiracy theorists only use restrictions on their ravings as "evidence" that they're right and that the evil and ubiquitous "They" are just trying to shut them down.
Imo, banning things just sends them underground, and education is the only route out of this. It's a slow route, however, and I don't really think there's a quick fix solution.
As to removing anonymity, it's obvious why social media companies are reluctant to do that - it will devastate their income. How many on here would just abandon the place if we had to reveal our true identities? And we're for the most part civil and respectful of one another.
You don't have to be involved in anything nefarious to be reluctant to having your identity exposed. I'm no expert on this but I'd have thought it just makes data-mining and possible identity theft that bit easier.
 
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i'm interested that as normal disabled people don't seem to be mentioned at all .
That is so true. It is one section of society that always gets overlooked. How many decades or let's face it, hundreds of years did we have to go before entrance to buildings was made wheelchair friendly - as one example.
 
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Hmmm, I don't think I'd put it like that.
Before I start I just want to say that the following is just my opinion, and I know others may differ.
Racism and other prejudices are far less acceptable now than they were when I was young. I'd say that social media are the last bastion of prejudices due to their anonymity, rather than a normalising influence. Racist and homophobic language has been at large in stadia for as long as I can remember.
Rather than making people abusive, I just think social media illustrates the extent to which that mind-set still exists.
Agreed. Racism on social media just demonstrates that it exists in wider society. Being on social media just brings it to peoples attention, as everyone can see it. As you say, anonymity just gives the user the confidence to speak their mind, in the hope they won't get found out.
 
That is so true. It is one section of society that always gets overlooked. How many decades or let's face it, hundreds of years did we have to go before entrance to buildings was made wheelchair friendly - as one example.
There are still plenty of buildings that are not disabled friendly and not just entrances but also the placement of toilets.
 
That is so true. It is one section of society that always gets overlooked. How many decades or let's face it, hundreds of years did we have to go before entrance to buildings was made wheelchair friendly - as one example.
some buildings .
The regular failure to mention us in statements from the Equalities Commission tells me all i need to know .
 
Agreed. Racism on social media just demonstrates that it exists in wider society. Being on social media just brings it to peoples attention, as everyone can see it. As you say, anonymity just gives the user the confidence to speak their mind, in the hope they won't get found out.
slightly disagree with this as trolls will say anything to get a response and doesn't necessarily mean they actually think that .
 
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