sorry, but have i missed something?? why are we all agreeing that henderson only passes backwards?? have we forgotten that he has managed plenty of assists and key passes, some of them one touch (gyan's goal against chelsea in case you were wondering)?? and even if he were struggling, the lad is a year and a half into his premier league career, two years ago he was playing for coventry, give him a break for ****'s sake. can't believe some of our fans, always looking for a boo boy, can't have a go at richardson at the moment so we pick on someone else?? mental. and, as bruceysbeak says, he's playing out of position. ridiculous.
Been saying that he needs to be droped for ages. Henderson generally does only pass backwards, its pointless saying he "plenty of assists" because Bardo has the same amount in the past five games than Henderson has had in his entire SAFC career. Oh, and Phil has scored more goals. I forget the amount of times I shouted PUT YOUR FOOT IN HENDERSON at Saturdays game. He's going to be found out, we need to sell pronto.
you're an idiot. a winger, forced to play in central midfield, limited experience, and his tackling needs work?? cor, he is **** isn't he. bardsley's hit a rich vein of form, what's your point?? because henderson isn't the best player on the pitch, we should sell?? in any case, bardsley's a full back, what does how well he plays have to do with henderson?? drop henderson, sure, give him a rest and get other key players back in there, and stop him taking corners, but if you think we should sell you're a spanner. bet you're one of those who reckon we should sell gordon as well, sell turner, sell richardson. and you know what?? i bet you boo as well. call yourself a mackem, and you want the best mackem footballer we've had in a decade to be flogged at the first sign that he's struggling?? wake up.
Idiot you say? Personal opinion that. Are you agreeing that his tackling needs work? Because it does. The OP said somethign about not seeing him tackle the entire game. That is 90minutes of players running past a SAFC shirt as if it wasn't there. If you can't see that as a problem, you obviously don't understand basic tactical play. He is ****. I'll use Bardo as a brilliant example of what sitting on the bench does for a player. It makes him a better player. Bardo sat (IMO wrongly) on the bench for almost the entire second half of last season as we had Hutton bombing up and down the wing. Look at how much he has come on. He can play at RB and LB, consistently plays well, chips in with assists and goals. Something Henderson DOES NOT. Stop him taking corners you say? Were you at the game on Sat? He didn't take one corner, looks like Bruce has finally lost faith in his first man dead ball crosses. I believe we should sell, and we should sell because I look back at players like Jones. Keano quoted him as being worth ã40m. Spurs and Liverpool both came in with offers of between 15-25m (depending on sources) and we rejected them. Then, Jones was found out. Defenders doubled up on him and stopped his partner from running on to his knock downs. We were lucky to get back the 6m we bought him for. ã20m would do a hell of a lot for the squad. And I don't boo. Certainly don't think we should sell Flash, love Turner and think Ricco is an asset to the club. Any more?
you've trolled three different threads today saying the same thing about hendo, even in ones not explicitly mentioning him. bit weird. yeah his tackling needs work, but given he's a winger, i don't see it as an issue. i don't think many people slate messi, or ronaldo, or n'zogbia, or mattie etherington for that matter, because their tackling ability doesn't match up to john terry's. you talk about bardsley, saying he benefited from being on the bench. does that logic not extend to henderson then?? surely you've just argued that a good rest for henderson might do him the world of good and see him progress..? and sorry, but bardsley has two goals this season, henderson has one. bardsley got no goals last season, henderson got one, so my math's isn't the best, but i make that two goals each, don't you?? please give me an example of bardsley supplying an assist?? henderson played the final pass for gyan against chelsea, as well as many others that i can look for if you want to continue making stuff up. for the record, i bloody love bardsley, but you seem to think he's a barometer for henderson's performance levels, which makes no sense. i wasn't at the game, i live in london, but good to know henderson isn't on corners - he's not very good at them. though you may be desperate for it to happen (why, i don't know, henderson steal your girlfriend??) i wouldn't take that as bruce beginning to lose faith. we got less money than we should have for jones, but henderson is a better calibre of player, younger, and born-and-bred sunderland. again, why do you want the best sunderland born player in a decade at least, an england international no less, to be sold?? sorry, glad you love the others, just they are the typical targets of boo boys such as yourself. one last thing, if henderson is so bad, why does bruce rate him so highly?? is bruce wrong?? why does he talk about ferguson being on the phone to him?? questioning ferguson's eye for a player too??
Jordan Henderson is a very good player and he will get better, personally I would make him Captain. ATM he is often playing out of position and he is no defensive central midfielder. He is also not on good form at present and those moaners should support the lad not have ago at him, he is playing cos' of injuries to others and could do with a rest (mentally cos; physically he is full of running and yes he could do more tackling). If he can play up the pitch a bit out on the right he will deliver good crosses and score a few himself. Hw will improve and I think we all really know that, some so called fans are just using him as a scapegoat for lack of wins a very unpleasant trait that some fans possess and like to parade as an excuse for support of their team.
I am no boo boy. I do not boo. I am simply pointing out what is wrong with Henderson. This thread is all about him. I am suggesting (you seem to read all my posts, so you should know ) that Henderson needs to be dropped now, and sold in the summer. Do you not agree that offers such as ã20m should not be accepted? Or are you so blinded by the local lad image like most others, you would carry on playing the weak link in the team whilst we fall further and further away from a European spot? Can you remember the last game he had where he supplied a killer pass or a brilliant goal? I can. It was the 6th December, the game against WH. Bardsley has supplied three assists so far this season. The latest one was against Newcastle (his shot, then the rebound by Asamoah) and the previous was against Wolves. The last was in pre season. Lets all face it, we all want him dropped. Our big gripe here is that certain people think he will blossom into a brilliant player. I don't think that will happen, and as such, feel he should be sold.
I think people are being very OTT with Jordan, he's a kid, his forms dipped, he's been played out of position. A right midfielder wouldn't have practiced tackling, they rarely need to do it. We all can see he needs a rest, the time to judge is when we have players back, Jordans back out wide, and the team is balanced. If he's not performing at that stage, then fair one. We don't need a scapegoat, it's a hangover from years of ****e.
ha, actually, i've looked at three threads today and you happen to have trolled all three, don't flatter yourself. i don't agree we should sell. henderson can be dropped, have a rest and recharge, and once we have catts back in the center, he can play right wing, the position he has trained in all his career and the one where he has had some of his best games. if henderson wants to leave then sell, but otherwise, no. we have a billionaire owner, so why flog one of our best prospects because he's suffered a dip in form?? i'm certainly not blinded by anything, unlike you. i'm aware of henderson's limitations, and am prepared to give a young man time to develop. you seem desperate to get rid of him. "Bardsley has supplied three assists so far this season. The latest one was against Newcastle (his shot, then the rebound by Asamoah) and the previous was against Wolves. The last was in pre season. " again with bardsley!! he's our left back you tube!! anyway, let's have a look... so bardsley's shot flukes a defletion to gyan, and that's evidence he's great (he is, but never mind), and also proves henderson is poor?? what?? an assist v wolves, i'll give you that, and one in a friendly months ago?? brilliant. also, you couldn't be more wrong with this - "Can you remember the last game he had where he supplied a killer pass or a brilliant goal? I can. It was the 6th December, the game against WH." actually, it was henderson's through ball to gyan on jan 1st that got us our third goal against blackburn. henderson also cracked the bar with a long range curler in that match. add in his final balls against birmingham on the first day of the season, and against wigan, and you have a goal and four assists. you seem so keen to have a go at hendo that you are purposefully ignoring stats that show what a good player he is. well done.
You asked for when Bardsley had provided an assist. End of the day, we disagree on this. Henderson, IMO, is ****e. Should be dropped and sold (hopefully) before he is found out. I'm not ignoring the stats, im quite a statician, I know which players have done what this season at least. You cannot argue that Henderson has been poor since his *cough* brilliant ENG debut. He does need to be dropped, and IMO he should be sold. Also, I haven't personally insulted you. I'd appreciate it if you didn't, shows your true character, acts like that.
I agree with all the others who have made the point that Hendo is a class right-sided midfielder who is currently playing centre mid as we wait for Catts to come back. It's not his fault he's has to play out of position but he gives 100 per cent for the team. He is not perfect. His corners and shooting need to improve but let's give him a break he's just a young lad who loves Sunderland and wants to do well here. Get off his back!
How would you suggest he improves his all round game? Would you agree dropping him for the benefit or the team and the player is a good option?
actually, you brought up bardsley to begin with, and are happy spouting off his stats to prove henderson is inadequate. why is bardsley relevant at all??? "I'm not ignoring the stats, im quite a statician, I know which players have done what this season at least." snigger. like you knew when henderson last scored or assisted?? oops. i'm certainly not denying henderson was poor on his england debut, though he was played out of position, but poor since?? come on, i though you were a statistician!! hendo's england game came before his west ham winner, which was before his assist for gyan in the blackburn game!! keep up! sorry if i upset you, but i call a spade a spade, and anyone who wants henderson selling, who thinks he is "****e", needs their head examined.
Dropping him for who? Elmo is just a speed merchant who can't tackle. Catts and Meyler are out injured, Zenden is class but getting on, and Steed is class but not getting any younger. The jury is out on Riveros. Have faith in the manager. After all he's got us where we are.
Well said that man. I'm getting seriously bored of all the whingers and negatively orientated knob-heads on here atm
I was using Bardo as an example of how things can improve after a player has spent some time on the sidelines. Then you questioned when he had provided assists... You carry on with Hendersons done this and Henderson has done that. In the past 8-10 games, Henderson has managed one assist and one goal. I am not denying this helped the team, but is it good enough? I don't think so, and many others have the same opinion as me. The fact that he can't hit a dead ball passed the first man, and cannot put a tackle in to save his life only support my view. I call a spade a spade too, but don't resort to personal insults. People can have a different opinion to yourself, you'd do well to remember that. You mention Zenden and Steed. They can play at least 60-70minutes, at which point Henderson (who has been watching from the sidelines) will come and and (hopefully, although probably not) come on and think "Wow, I must be performing poorly if these old codgers are playing before me" and actually put a decent shift in. We're doing well, but Henderson needs to be dropped before we drop more points and loose out to Liverpool and Bolton for the EU spots.
so in summary, you feel henderson should be dropped?? me too, he needs a rest, and i agree that a spell on the side lines could help the lad out. what i don't agree with, and what you started off saying but have gone quiet on now, is that henderson should be sold asap. that notion i feel is totally unreasonable, you are making henderson out to be a useless plank when lets face it, he ain't.
I'm glad we agree. I think we should sell him in the summer before he is "found out", because ã20m is a brilliant sum of money for a player who IMO, isn't all that good.
