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Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by wizered, Aug 23, 2021.

  1. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    Highest paid manager in history
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    I imagine most clubs from Championship down, see themselves in the same boat, with the effects of Covid around..so that comment is pretty void IMO.
    Injuries hasn't help for consistency with some of these players.....again, happens with a lot of clubs.....it's not unique..
    I know you have the daggers out and waiting for the slightest of mistakes to kneejerk & pounce on a few players, but it's performance within the team IMO that counts not just individual errors....but each to their own!!
     
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    Shame if we don't get at least £1m plus a chunky sell on … have a good season and can worth a lot more ….
     
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    that's £16k to spend on a new players wages …… like uuuuuuuuuuuuum a centre forward !
     
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    That’s part of his wages sorted out, now we just gotta find the money to buy said striker
     
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    Gutted, the player I wanted City to sign on loan was Morgan Rogers of Man City, i’m gutted as he has just signed for Bournemouth
     
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  7. Jiffie

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    What in the same way that you have that daggers out to blame the manager whom you publicly admitted that you don't like?

    With the exception of Middlesborough away (still a game we should have taken a point from) the team performances have been ok, team performances are not the reason that we have missed a hatful of chances, team performances are not the reason that schoolboy defensive errors have seen us ship in 6 wholly preventable goals and team performances are not the reason we are sat on 4 points instead of 10 points. That means instead of working on the small points to improve performances in training, it's pretty much back basics and remedial work in most training sessions, but still the individual mistakes are killing us week in and week out.

    It's very simple cut out the stupid individual errors and the team performances will follow, these players are supposed to be 'professional' footballers, all they do in their working day to earn the huge wages that they are paid is run around, jump around, stretch and kick a sack of air around, the rest of the time they are pampered. The manager is responsible for team selection, formation and tactics, the one thing that Pearson or any coach in the world cannot be blamed for is stupid unprofessional mistakes, the players responsible have to take ownership of that.
     
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  8. Supcon72

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    This doesn't make sense, you could just as easily argue that the games we have lost over the last X amount of years usually stem from an individual error! How many different individuals have to make errors before it's a team thing, I think I have counted at least 5 you have blamed individually in the 4 games so far this season? It seems in your book, a lot less since a manager you didn't like left the club. There are many on here who just think (as I knew they would) that not having LJ at the club instantly makes things better, and will cling to any shred to shout it out loud on here. To say the performances are better now than 2 years ago is extremely tenuous,yes we have a stronger base in the midfield it seems with King and James, but we lack more of a genuine goal threat than under LJ, and we still conceded dodgy goals. So what has really improved? I don't see that much, other than the midfield have more time as the balls forward are not lost immediately as they were with Fammy up top, putting the midfield under immediate pressure.
     
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  9. Jiffie

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    Firstly please show me where I have claimed to dislike LJ, I have never met him, unlike presumably those that have publicly expressed a dislike of Pearson.

    I have never claimed that the mistakes are any more or less under any of the managers, what I claim is that when they keep occurring and often from the same players that might be a bit of a clue to what the problem actually is, far too many of the same players are making the same mistakes, they made when LJ was in charge, when Holden was in charge and now under Pearson. The poor results and poor performances were what got LJ and Holden sacked not the fans, SL is solely to blame for what went before and after including Ashton and our shambolic transfer policy and the appointment of Holden, Pearson will be subject to the fans having a say in his fate.

    I never said that performances were better than 2 years ago, I am saying that they are in general better than most of last season (which is not difficult).

    As for goal threat, we have scored 5 in 4 games, which if replicated will be in line with the total for LJ's last 2 seasons and of course what about the missed great chances in every game so far this season, 3 in the Blackpool game, 1 in the Middlesborough game, 2 in the Reading game and at least 4 in the Swansea game, doesn't that count as goal threat?

    If you can't see any of that, then nothing will make sense. In a nutshell, roughly 10 chances missed (from a team apparently lacking a goal threat) and individual errors have cost us 6 points, that is the unmistakable reality. But might not fit any agenda.
     
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    Any person that has been to a home or away game can see a monster improvement in the football-just need to score some off the many chances created.
     
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    I agree it is an improvement on last season for sure, but that should not be the benchmark for improvement, and I think some/many on here (not you) are rose tinting things so far under Pearson!

    The benchmark for improvement has to be better than when we came out of the break caused by COVID. I wanted Pearson as manager, as I thought, and still do that his managerial experience is what we lacked under our previous 2 managers. I am not a fan of how he appears to be handling certain players, and you have your opinion and I have mine, but it seems all the high earners at the club, and or saleable assets are the ones he has had 'fall-outs' with. Maybe that is just a coincidence.....

    I'm not buying the whole 2 players fell out and that is why he wants Kalas out, as that is pathetic. Pearson is an established and experienced manager, and if he can't handle player fall-outs, then perhaps he is not the right man for football management full stop. He's handled far worse, look at the Leicester on tour issue from a few years ago, he did nothing about that. It took the owners to sack the 4 players, not Pearson, although his son being one of them probably had a lot to do with that.
     
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    don't have a lot of info at hand re "chances" but some of those I do are better than so far in 4 games. I guess the comparison aspect must be what both teams achieve in the same game often both teams are similar chance wise, either low less than 8 OT medium less than 14 OT or high more than 14 on target.
    AT THE END OF THE DAY it is points on the board that counts …………..
    note... Not seen a full game this season, yet!
     
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  13. Jiffie

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    People rose tint things when trying to defend players and managers that they like, that's human nature.

    Mate you can buy whatever you like, it is what has happened, it has come from an impeccable source. The reality is when you have 2 senior players at loggerheads over something like this it causes a rift in the dressing room and factions to form, I understand that both players have felt Pearson's wrath over what has happened and one accepted his bollocking and the other sulked and took it out on a team mate in a practice match, either they patch it up or one leaves or they both leave, the manager can only referee it. I find it beyond belief that you can blame anybody at the club about Nagy leaving, he wanted to leave and has done virtually since he arrived. As for Kalas he did his personal profile a lot of good at the Euros and I still believe that either a bigger championship club or a mid to lower premiership club will try to sign him or maybe things have settled down.

    The portion about Leicester is ridiculous, manager's cannot sack players, only the owner and board can sanction that.

    No attacking threat?

    4 games 44 shots. 14 on target. last 4 games of last season 26 shots. 6 on target.

    And as for Wells he has failed for 3 managers, but hey it must be Pearson's fault again.
     
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  14. oneforthebristolcity

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    Never said I didn't like him.....I said he comes across arrogant.
    I look at it the other way around.....team performance will outweigh individual errors.....
     
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    In tight games??? especially those in which we haven't taken our chances?
     
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    Throughout the season....Those that make numerous errors will get dropped by the manager as it would affect team performances.
     
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    And it has done significantly already.

    The stats for the 4 league games clearly show an improvement team wise, even in our worse game this season we had 8 shots with 5 on target, compared quite a few 2/3 shots with none on target last season.

    Individual mistakes and missed chances are killing us. What would help is more power in the shooting v Swansea yes we hit the target 5 times from 15 shots but they were all pretty tame, also we feel the need to take extra touches and usually the last touch is inevitably a poor one.

    Again v Swansea the board goes up indicating 5 minutes of time added on and we have a free kick in our area and somehow Bentley puts it straight into touch and that happens too often in games.

    When the stats indicate that are playing better as a team and creating more chances than in probably 10 games of last season, then not taking those chances and individual errors are definitely killing us and the players have to take the responsibility for that.
     
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    Really?
    If that's true then it's a waste of money if he's not backed up with transfer funds.
     
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  20. wizered

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