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PleaseNotPoll said:
No, not assuming anything.
If this did happen, then this would happen.
Pretty straightforward and no assumptions made.

I have no knowledge of Islam?
Interesting, as Islamreligion.com appears to back up what I've said.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204

Upon entering the fold of Islam purely for the Pleasure of God, all of one’s previous sins are forgiven, and one starts a new life of piety and righteousness. The Prophet said to a person who had placed the condition upon the Prophet in accepting Islam that God would forgive his sins:

“Do you not know that accepting Islam destroys all sins which come before it?” (Saheeh Muslim)

Islam-guide.com also seems to think the same thing, quoting Mohammed, no less.
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch2-4.htm

When someone converts to Islam, God forgives all of his previous sins and evil deeds. A man called Amr came to the Prophet Muhammad and said, “Give me your right hand so that I may give you my pledge of loyalty.” The Prophet stretched out his right hand. Amr withdrew his hand. The Prophet said: {What has happened to you, O Amr?} He replied, “I intend to lay down a condition.” The Prophet asked: {What condition do you intend to put forward?} Amr said, “That God forgive my sins.” The Prophet said: {Didn’t you know that converting to Islam erases all previous sins?}

Are they wrong?
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so conjecture and guess work? as in 'IF'? as I said assumption

not really interesting, and further proof of your lack of knowledge regarding Islam tbh

you asked in relation to Bush and Blair right? then the answer is NO

more generalisations etc
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
There's no evidence that Choudary would give me an honest, open answer and plenty to suggest that he wouldn't.
Should I just go with what you're telling me and risk a total waste of my time for no reason, though?
Hang on, that sounds familiar...

Grow a pair?
You're afraid to read a link or watch a short video!
Laughable.
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only one way to find out isnt there?

yes grow a pair,
and another assumption reagrding not reading a wikki link etc?

no substance, all talk
 
BoleynAli said:
PleaseNotPoll, that was exactly what I was trying to do, and also to find out just how fundamental an Islamist he is. It's obvious the man can't be reasoned with so I'm not going to waste my time. Shame as some well written posts and coherent, thought provoking arguments raised.
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thanks for your input

seems you had already made up your mind

how does someone ask a question then run away without an answer, then reach a conclusion?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
thanks for your input

seems you had already made up your mind

how does someone ask a question then run away without an answer, then reach a conclusion?
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In Kyle's Britain, religious fundamentalism would be outlawed, as it binds those who follow religion to one set of views. Aetheists can see the bigger picture, fundamentalists trot out the same tired, overused arguments.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
so conjecture and guess work? as in 'IF'? as I said assumption

not really interesting, and further proof of your lack of knowledge regarding Islam tbh

you asked in relation to Bush and Blair right? then the answer is NO

more generalisations etc
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There's no assumption.
What am I assuming?

So you're disagreeing with your fellow Muslims now?
I guess god only talks to you and your convicted mates, eh?

What generalisations?
This is the same thing as your claim of refutations of the evolution of the eye.
More claims without substance.

thefanwithnoname said:
only one way to find out isnt there?

yes grow a pair,
and another assumption reagrding not reading a wikki link etc?

no substance, all talk
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No.
I have no interest in wasting my time on something that's highly likely to have no substance behind it.

You clearly don't read anything that's posted on here as a link, as you barely read people's replies and consistently display ignorance of repeated arguments.
 
Kyle? said:
In Kyle's Britain, religious fundamentalism would be outlawed, as it binds those who follow religion to one set of views. Aetheists can see the bigger picture, fundamentalists trot out the same tired, overused arguments.
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what about athiest fundamentalism?
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
There's no assumption.
What am I assuming?

So you're disagreeing with your fellow Muslims now?
I guess god only talks to you and your convicted mates, eh?

What generalisations?
This is the same thing as your claim of refutations of the evolution of the eye.
More claims without substance.



No.
I have no interest in wasting my time on something that's highly likely to have no substance behind it.

You clearly don't read anything that's posted on here as a link, as you barely read people's replies and consistently display ignorance of repeated arguments.
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If inferrs conjecture and guess work = assumption

No just you, as you asked a specific question but googled a general response. showing a lack of knowledge of Islam in these matters

As i said generalisations.

Oh good come back with the 'no substance'

You have no interest because you have no conviction in your beliefs/assertions
It stands to reason that a man asserting something, on given the opportunity to clarify from source would be delighted

you just a wuss imo
 
Kyle? said:
I'm banning fundamentalism of all kinds. I hate people (like you) who don't take a look at the world, they just focus on one thing.
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come on?

tbf It is related to the thread

I gave some good advice on the DIY thread

so it is in context

I am not fundamentalist, I have a view and am not afraid to stand by it
 
BoleynAli said:
My pleasure PNP.
I'm not too au fait with this site and how it works yet, was it you who closed the last thread re: Olympic Stadium?
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It wasn't me, but I've sent you a fuller answer via private message.
It's in your notifications bit at the top.
 
Kyle? said:
Nah, he does (for once) have a point. I know fundamentalist aetheists. At least i can listen to the views of a religious madman, i don't believe or agree with them, but i listen anyway.
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see that is fair, apart from the madman bit imo

As i said this was to see what athiests would come up with to explain origin etc
but it seems the are more comfortable attacking religion

and to be fair I am not as abusive and rude as some. am I?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
If inferrs conjecture and guess work = assumption

No just you, as you asked a specific question but googled a general response. showing a lack of knowledge of Islam in these matters

As i said generalisations.

Oh good come back with the 'no substance'

You have no interest because you have no conviction in your beliefs/assertions
It stands to reason that a man asserting something, on given the opportunity to clarify from source would be delighted

you just a wuss imo
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No it doesn't.

Do you ever actually post answer?
You just consistently claim that people are wrong without even attempting to back up what you're claiming.

You've yet to give me a single reason why Choudary would choose to answer me but not the rest of the tax-payers that he's scrounging from.
That's even giving you the benefit of the doubt for your claims that you know him.
 
Kyle? said:
Nah, he does (for once) have a point. I know fundamentalist aetheists. At least i can listen to the views of a religious madman, i don't believe or agree with them, but i listen anyway.
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Who have they bombed? How many churches, mosques or synagogues have they burnt down? How many theists have they maimed and tortured?
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
No it doesn't.

Do you ever actually post answer?
You just consistently claim that people are wrong without even attempting to back up what you're claiming.

You've yet to give me a single reason why Choudary would choose to answer me but not the rest of the tax-payers that he's scrounging from.
That's even giving you the benefit of the doubt for your claims that you know him.
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yes it does

but you are the font of knowledge re Islam no? you should know
I just want to see if you can back up your assumptions and claims. If you dont know I will enlighten you

Only one way to find out, I have assured you. nothing more I can do

convictions in your assumptions/assertions/beliefs?

didnt think so
 
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