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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by thefanwithnoname, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    I dont know how much of the thread you read

    I just think that people who cannot accept that god may have 'just existed' cannot say that matter and energy 'just existed'

    If the latter is true then based on what we know a creator without a beginning or end is plausible
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I brought him up because you were being similarly evasive about your job and you know him.
    I thought he might have given you a few tips!

    If you asked him, then I'm sure you'll have no trouble telling us.
    You're claiming that I'm wrong without saying that he doesn't receive the benefits that I've suggested.

    He's admitted to the minor, largely irrelevant benefits that a lot of people get.
    He doesn't seem to deny being on income support.
    Is he?

    What proof or evidence have I denied?
    You don't seem to understand what an internet warrior is, either.
    I don't ever act tough on here or suggest that I'm a hardman.
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    You didn't answer it using the link that I posted, as the link supports it.

    I was asking who created god in reply to your claim that everything has a creator, which is not one that I accept.
    I was pointing out the flaw in your logic.
    Evidence suggests that matter and energy cannot be destroyed or created.
    Evidence doesn't suggest that god even exists.
     
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  4. irishgreen

    irishgreen Well-Known Member

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    @ Fan

    I know **** all about energy,matter,antimatter or evolution but if there is a all seeing,all knowing Deity then why the **** are one week old children dieing with starvation?What the **** did they do to anyone?

    Why would a 'God' let babies die and let ****s let Ian Huntley live?
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Some people do believe that.
    I don't.

    I don't think that Iraq had anything to do with that form of Islamic terrorism, at all.
    Wasn't Saddam an enemy of Al-Qaeda?
    You'd have to ask where all these militants were when he was butchering their countrymen, though.

    It's a poor situation that nobody particularly comes out of well.
    George Bush did, though.
    Financially.
     
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  6. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    evasive? where you been? I have never held back on crtain information
    in fact ask ST

    Methinks you are being faecaetious (sp)

    ask him, I will arrange the meeting. come on you purveyor of evidence/proof

    I am putting on a plate the direct source to a question you are discussing with me, no take up

    As for Internet Warrior you have said more than ones that you cant allow certainthings to go unchallenged etc (may words thought I would clarify as you like semantics)

    but when given the source you have bottled it
     
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  7. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    no you are being tedious it has been answered.

    here read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye

    You not accepting it does not make it any less true. Unless you can prove it
    logically everything has a source/origin/creator so the conclusion is valid
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I've already pointed out that I have no interest in meeting him.
    I'd have nothing to gain and there'd be nothing to stop him from lying, refusing to answer or evading any questions put to him.
    He does so in interviews all the time, so why would a meeting with me be any different?

    I could easily meet him on my own anyway, as he's hardly a massive distance from where I live.

    How does refusing to allow bullshit to stand unchallenged in any way represent acting like a hardman?
    Have I ever threatened anyone or suggested anything violent?
    I guess it's just another term that you don't understand the real meaning of.
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    What?!
    What part of that even challenges the evolution of the eye?
    It explains it!

    Everything doesn't logically have a source.
    I've shown you that time and again.
    I refuse to believe that you're this stupid.
    If you're making the claim that everything does have a source, then you have to prove it.
     
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  10. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    At least you are honest enough to say that. These lot wont accept wikki but source t anyway

    The answer to your question is complicated in all honesty

    But for me the conclusion is not wether god exists or not.

    Let me explain using ethiopia. Now under the Islamic caliphate ethipoia was a country that exported foodstuff to other parts of the world
    today it si in poverty and children are dying

    Yet we know that these countries are still able to export, just not use domestically

    People blame God (again I dont like that word as it paints the wrong picture) but its the actions of us (man) that has caused that

    A simple way to explain it would be that if you are speeding and get killed is that Gods fault?
     
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  11. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    yes and despite all that you bring him up?

    bottle it methinks
     
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    Bullet tooth Tony Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! Ask Jamie Bulgers parents if there is a god, and countless others that have lost children to the ill done deeds of monsters. Funny thing is because of religious beliefs some of them forgive the perpetrators of such obscene crimes. Sad really, but if there is a god he is a **** and doing a really bad job and should be sacked forthwith.
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I don't think he's smart enough, to be honest.
    He barely strikes me as being clever enough to tie his own shoelaces, but that might all be an act.

    [video=youtube;JvknGT8W5jA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvknGT8W5jA[/video]

    Seriously, where the **** did that guy go?
     
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  14. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Despite what?
    The fact that meeting him wouldn't benefit me in any way?

    Why would I be scared to meet him?
    He's not a violent man, in person.
    Too much of a coward for that.
     
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  15. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    natural selection does NOT fit the evolution of the eye
    also see Cambrian explosion

    logically everything has a source. even energy has a source
    nothing exists without a source
     
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  16. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    more assumptions/assertions yet scared to meet him

    You raised the matter, there is a simple solution
    but you dont want that

    coward methinks
     
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  17. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Yes it does.
    How does natural selection not fit the evolution of the eye?

    Prove it.
    What's the source of energy or matter?
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    More baseless claims.

    I've already pointed out why there's no point in me meeting him.
    Why wouldn't he refuse to answer my questions, evade them or even outright lie?
    You have no answer to that, so you're just repeating the same old bullshit, just as you are with your accusation of cowardice.

    Why would I be scared of him?
    What is it that you think I believe he'll do to me?
     
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  19. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Is there any point?

    because when I offered to take you to a source you dont want to do that
     
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  20. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    I have never seen "TFWNNs special bearded friend" therefore he dosn t exist
     
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