Summer transfer rumours

[Culinary]

Most likely with a buy back or sell on % included.

How do buyback agreements usually work?

I know they used to be that if you sell the player that club (Spurs) would get first dibs as long as they matched whatever is being offered by other clubs. Is that still the case or would it be Spurs saying if we want to we can buy him back for, say £3m in the next three years?

 

[Culinary]

Some on RTG definitely want failure so their negativity and misery can be justified

I definitely agree with this. I think it's subconscious though.

 

[Southern A]

How do buyback agreements usually work?

I know they used to be that if you sell the player that club (Spurs) would get first dibs as long as they matched whatever is being offered by other clubs. Is that still the case or would it be Spurs saying if we want to we can buy him back for, say £3m in the next three years?

It basically means if Spurs bid a certain amount for him we have to accept it.

Its essentially a minimum fee release clause but for just one club.

 

[Southern A]

I definitely agree with this. I think it's subconscious though.

Aye - its a defence mechanism. assume everything is the worst and awful and it can never actually be worse than you thought.

Miserable way to exist.

 

[Nads]

How do buyback agreements usually work?

I know they used to be that if you sell the player that club (Spurs) would get first dibs as long as they matched whatever is being offered by other clubs. Is that still the case or would it be Spurs saying if we want to we can buy him back for, say £3m in the next three years?

Yeah along those lines. Usually a 2-3 year time limit, and usually for a good fee.

It’s supposed we paying £1.3 up top, so likely a bit back in 2-3 years would be £6-8 million or so, with certain conditions.

 

[Culinary]

With Embleton Pritchard and potentially Gooch I just don’t think we need a 10. We need another 9 who has a different style - hopefully pacy and turns defenders. Fingers crossed over this left back like.

Do you think we need another wide forward, a la Owen Dale?

I look at our options and an injury to McGeady would mean playing Diamond or Hawkes there. Whilst I like both I'm not sure they're ready to be regular starters in a team chasing promotion.

I guess the club would look at it as three positions behind the main striker and that we've got McGeady, Pritchard, Embleton, Gooch, Diamond, Hawkes and O'Brien as options. Therefore those sort of numbers don't really allow us to bring in another. I'm not convinced we've got enough there, particularly in terms of goals.

 

[Culinary]

It basically means if Spurs bid a certain amount for him we have to accept it.

Its essentially a minimum fee release clause but for just one club.

So if the £1.3m is accurate what sort of figure do you think Spurs would expect and what would we accept?

 

[Southern A]

Do you think we need another wide forward, a la Owen Dale?

I look at our options and an injury to McGeady would mean playing Diamond or Hawkes there. Whilst I like both I'm not sure they're ready to be regular starters in a team chasing promotion.

I guess the club would look at it as three positions behind the main striker and that we've got McGeady, Pritchard, Embleton, Gooch, Diamond, Hawkes and O'Brien as options. Therefore those sort of numbers don't really allow us to bring in another. I'm not convinced we've got enough there, particularly in terms of goals.

Its a tough one. the old sunderland would have got 2-3 back up players.

this new sunderland might trust that when McGeady is injured, Diamond, Hawkes or Benji should get game time.

We could go out and try to sign the likes of Dale or Kirk - but then when do Hawkes and Diamond get to play?

 

[Culinary]

Yeah along those lines. Usually a 2-3 year time limit, and usually for a good fee.

It’s supposed we paying £1.3 up top, so likely a bit back in 2-3 years would be £6-8 million or so, with certain conditions.

Ta. Sorry I hadn't seen this when I asked above.

 

[Southern A]

So if the £1.3m is accurate what sort of figure do you think Spurs would expect and what would we accept?

No idea mate - I'm not even sure the £1.3m is accurate. That was a different report from a random Portsmouth paper a few weeks ago - could be a completely different player.

I'd imagine the type of deal we / Spurs might accept is:

• Up front fee - £1.3m
• Buy back expiring after 3 years (end of initial contract) - £6m
• Future sell on to other clubs - 40% of profit

 

[Culinary]

Its a tough one. the old sunderland would have got 2-3 back up players.

this new sunderland might trust that when McGeady is injured, Diamond, Hawkes or Benji should get game time.

We could go out and try to sign the likes of Dale or Kirk - but then when do Hawkes and Diamond get to play?

I've wanted this new Sunderland for so long so I should pull myself together rather than now getting jittery that we are doing it.

It's seeing the options (embarrassment of riches) that Ipswich and Wednesday are going to have in those positions that is doing it. It's unfortunately probably the worst time, considering the strength of the league, for us to transition. It should have been done when we first dropped (not to mention the relative strength of our Academy options at that point). Guess I'll just need to hold my nerve.

 

[Nads]

No idea mate - I'm not even sure the £1.3m is accurate. That was a different report from a random Portsmouth paper a few weeks ago - could be a completely different player.

I'd imagine the type of deal we / Spurs might accept is:

• Up front fee - £1.3m
• Buy back expiring after 3 years (end of initial contract) - £6m
• Future sell on to other clubs - 40% of profit

I think this is in and around the right ballpark.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Do you think we need another wide forward, a la Owen Dale?

I look at our options and an injury to McGeady would mean playing Diamond or Hawkes there. Whilst I like both I'm not sure they're ready to be regular starters in a team chasing promotion.

I guess the club would look at it as three positions behind the main striker and that we've got McGeady, Pritchard, Embleton, Gooch, Diamond, Hawkes and O'Brien as options. Therefore those sort of numbers don't really allow us to bring in another. I'm not convinced we've got enough there, particularly in terms of goals.

I hate O Brien as the 10 mind. Add Ellis Taylor to your list I think. We definitely have enough numbers there. Whether we have quality in depth I’m not sure. Definitely we need another striker with goals in them - should be Grigg I know but we all know it’s isn’t. I think in that list we have players to create goals.
Priorities for me - Full backs and striker then swap Wright for better and the same with Burge

 

[John Wick]

No I agree with that. Not sure we would have been in with him because of the players we have in that role but Ipswich have just signed one of the most promising teenagers in English football. That offers no guarantees though and I'm more than happy with our direction but definitely makes them stronger. It's going to be an exciting season I reckon!

I agree. But not in an arrogant way, I truly believe that if we do go in with genuine ambition toward most players, they would come here. I said most because of course, the lad from Sheff U won't probably and Sanderson. re Making Ipswich stronger, I agree alsur chance as real top favourites to go up gets less every season, am more quality teams come down, we get further away imo.

 

[John Wick]

He's out of contract next summer and they have 3 full backs ahead of him - two of which are 22 are younger.

They probably know its unlikely he will become first choice, and he probably knows that too. Would make contract negotiations to renew difficult.

Spurs won't loan in case he doesn't renew and they get sod all tribunal for him. Makes more sense for them to sell for a fee now, with good sell-ons added, than to loan him out and risk losing him for 200k with terrible sell ons

Appreciate all of that,mate.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

I think its due to years and years of football anxiety and depression. Ive been a supporter since the late 80's and there has been very few seasons where we have been settled in a mid table, that'll do me, win some, lose some, mentality. We have either been going for promotion or on the cusp of, or suffered, relegation disaster. Throw the drudgery of our recent time in the Premier League into the mix and you can see why the fans can be a fickle, stressed, angry bunch. 3 or 4 seasons of mid table Championship football should be our first aim. It'll probably do the fans a world of good before having to suffer Premier League football again.

Agree with the 3 to 4 seasons in the championship to rebuild the damage done by short and the chancers. The club is about to take off and I'm so grateful to be here to witness it. Hhaaawwwwwaaaaaayyyyyyyy the Lad's

 

[Culinary]

I hate O Brien as the 10 mind. Add Ellis Taylor to your list I think. We definitely have enough numbers there. Whether we have quality in depth I’m not sure. Definitely we need another striker faith goals in them - should be Grigg I know but we all know it’s isn’t. I think in that list we have players to create goals.
Priorities for me - Full backs and striker then swap Wright for better and the same with Burge

Yeah, I'd go with that. I think that's exactly the order of the club's preferences too piecing together media reports and ITK info.

 

[Moanjam]

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[SAFC Wilks]

Spurs have three left-backs ahead of him, he has some ridiculous competition so best for him to move elsewhere.

Guaranteed first choice for us once he gets match fit given Hume is injured. Plenty of time to make a positive impact.

 

[Southern A]

I know that journalist - used to report my hometown club and chatted to him a few times. Good, decent chap. No reason to think he'd make stuff up