Who is? Do even you see your faith as that irrational that your defence of it involves talking about science's stance on Dinosaur sex? You are an imbecile.
Your thought process is as follows, which BTW is quite normal and rational: 1. Everything that had a beginning in time has a cause. 2. The universe had a beginning in time. 3. Therefore the universe had a cause. 4. The only thing that could have caused the universe is god. 5. Therefore, god exists. 1. Premise 1 conflicts with quantum mechanics because, as we have seen, quantum electrodynamics claims that subatomic particles can come into existence through a vacuum fluctuation. These particles have a beginning in time, but they have no cause because vacuum fluctuations are purely random events. Such particles, then, serve as a counterexample to premise 1. 2 conflicts with relativity theory because the general theory of relativity claims that there was no time before there was a universe. Time and the universe are coterminous-they came into existence together. This finding of Einstein's was anticipated by Augustine who proclaimed, "The world and time had both one beginning. The world was made, not in time, but simultaneously with time." If there was no time before there was a universe, the universe can't have a beginning in time.
I'm not trying to make you believe in what I believe but you must be open to both sides of the argument.
Is it any wonder they became extinct, **** all to do with meteorits or rats more like all the males turned gay
So the debate isn't about religion now? Why start a thread aimed at trying to get atheists to suggest how we all got here then dismiss every post that puts forward a possible answer? Most believe that the Big Bang started the universe as we know it. Your position is that to start something there had to be a catalyst hence something or someone that created it all. Judging by your proclivities you must assume Allah/God kicked it all off. Most scientists believe the universe is around 13 million years old, the prophet Mohammad (adjust spelling to your liking) was around roughly 1500 years ago. You believe in a version of the world and the universe according to the teachings of Mohammad in the Koran (adjust spelling to your liking) and have previously quoted chapter and verse to explain why that is. Why do you want to know how the universe started? Why ask atheists? If you are a Muslim (adjust spelling to your liking) then you do not need proof if you have faith. To have to ask why means you have doubt, if you have doubt then you seem to be questioning your faith. If the good book doesn't have the answers to your questions is the book wrong or are you just asking the wrong questions?
There aren't two sides to the argument. The fact is that even the greatest scientists don't know how the the universe was created and they don't claim to know. They have theories. On the other hand religious people claim they know based only on ancient writings (much of which have been scientifically proved to be false) They base their argument on faith alone because that is the last refuge of those that hide from reality and evidence. At the end of the day many religious people bury their heads in the sand, because to do otherwise would be to confess they have lived their lives as fools following a childish myth.
the OP was self explanatory. I wanted to know athiests theories. It was a result of what i saw to be mocking and self importance on some religion threads Its good to know what others think It appears to have gone back to prove god exists. which imo is the athiests safe ground. For the purpose of debate I felt it best to leave religion (as in christianity, Islam etc) out of it as it detracts from the key issue. Basically 'proof of a creator' or not. Religion etc is a later debate imo
Most of us have left religion out of it and provided you with a number of points about 'proof of a creator' but you seem unable to grasp what people are saying.
And my answer was to dispute the accuracy of the question, which you've accepted was inaccurate. By asking them to prove that their beliefs are grounded in reality? How is that mockery? Why did it have to come from anywhere? No. We've yet to prove that matter or energy can be created or destroyed. They do change form, though. No, it clearly wasn't based upon my perspective and your name for this creative force is irrelevant. What evidence do we have for things being created? No, it isn't. It's a claim. And I've pointed out repeatedly why it defeats your own claim, yet you choose not to see it. Wisdom teeth were for grinding down plant tissue. A third eye-lid isn't for another eye. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nictitating_membrane Nobody claims that we evolved from monkeys, either. All of this is utterly untrue and more evidence that you're a creationist, as it's a standard creationist argument. They call it irreducible complexity and it's been thoroughly debunked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#Eye Note that they refer to your Darwin's Eye bullshit from earlier, too. You clearly didn't and I'd be wasting my time repeating it here. Read it again and then you might understand why your quotes were ridiculous. And your answer isn't actually an answer. How did we get here? God did it. How did god get here? His god did it, etc. It doesn't tell us anything.
its not a case of grasping what people are saying its not accepting it if anything. eg i grasp the idea of giving to charities i dont give to some as i know they dont give all the money to the intended some call this uncharitable/tight fisted etc yet i give to the needy
