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LBW said:
Can’t agree with you, you have a path to choose in life, right or wrong. I and many others have been in a position where it would have been far easier to steal, rob & cheat but I chose to knuckle down and work for everything I possess. Far too many scumbags blame society, skin colour, lack of jobs etc etc. There is always a way but unfortunately crime is not really punished anymore hence the reason our prisons are holiday camps. Take a look at the correctional prisons all over America, they are brutal and rightly so, until scum are actually scared to go to prison nothing will change.
I believe a life for a life is a fitting punishment, and that includes drug dealers who peddle their devils deals that ultimately lead to destruction of people’s lives.
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America notoriously has a ****ing abominable justice system that doesn't stop crime in the slightest. I don't really see holding them up as a success story.

Punishment is definitely needed. It just might be worth using all we've learned over the passed centuries worth of human science and creating modern punishment that actually works. Not just turning to a broken method that hasn't worked in generations.
 
Smug in Boots said:
I think it's a little from Column A and a little from Column B.

Wealthy people are some of the biggest criminals on the planet so social deprivation certainly isn't to blame for that.
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Agree mate. I'm not solely blaming social deprivation. Our society is fueled by greed and excess. If that was addressed (way too far gone) the compulsion to break rules for profit would dry up.
 
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Disco down under said:
Agree mate. I'm not solely blaming social deprivation. Our society is fueled by greed and excess. If that was addressed (way too far gone) the compulsion to break rules for profit would dry up.
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Its not just greed and excess. People break the law and break the unwritten rules of a polite and caring and society out of arrogance and selfishness.

I regularly drive on the M25. Often, if there has been a breakdown or an accident, one lane is closed. On a road that busy it leads to tailbacks. Most people people move out of the closed lane as soon as possible and patiently queue. But a significant minority stay in the closed lane until the very last minute so they can avoid most of the queue. Yet, these people don't realise that if they queued in an orderly fashion everyone would get through quicker because people wouldn't have to stop to let them in.

That's the biggest problem with our society. Too many people refuse to follow the rules that are there for the benefit of the whole of society because it means an inconvenience to the individual. I can't abide that kind of arrogance and selfishness.
 
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Disco down under said:
Agree mate. I'm not solely blaming social deprivation. Our society is fueled by greed and excess. If that was addressed (way too far gone) the compulsion to break rules for profit would dry up.
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I don't want to bang on about the good old days but we literally had nowt yet were the happiest kids because no one, on our street, had a telly. When Mr Lyons, at the bottom of the street, got one we all piled in to see it. For the first time we realised how scruffy we looked in our 'hand me downs' and DIY haircuts. Ignorance really was bliss tbh.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
I don't want to bang on about the good old days but we literally had nowt yet were the happiest kids because no one, on our street, had a telly. When Mr Lyons, at the bottom of the street, got one we all piled in to see it. For the first time we realised how scruffy we looked in our 'hand me downs' and DIY haircuts. Ignorance really was bliss tbh.
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The further we go towards "needing" stuff the more we will **** people over and break the rules to get it.
 
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Blyth_bucaneer said:
Short, long, curly or straight. I always thought that hair was hair regardless of creed or race. Might sound a bit cryptic, just saw it on the sky news ticker.
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Ridiculous isn't it. You choose to compete in a sport and there are rules in place. Simple answer is get a haircut :)
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Its not just greed and excess. People break the law and break the unwritten rules of a polite and caring and society out of arrogance and selfishness.

I regularly drive on the M25. Often, if there has been a breakdown or an accident, one lane is closed. On a road that busy it leads to tailbacks. Most people people move out of the closed lane as soon as possible and patiently queue. But a significant minority stay in the closed lane until the very last minute so they can avoid most of the queue. Yet, these people don't realise that if they queued in an orderly fashion everyone would get through quicker because people wouldn't have to stop to let them in.

That's the biggest problem with our society. Too many people refuse to follow the rules that are there for the benefit of the whole of society because it means an inconvenience to the individual. I can't abide that kind of arrogance and selfishness.
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https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/driving-advice/zip-merging/
 
gelders pie said:
Sadly the days of appreciating what you have rather than yearning for what you haven't, have gone for most.
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the problem these days is that wages are paid monthly into a bank, kids never really 'see' money and if they want summit it goes on the plastic...the world is run with debt whereas if we wanted something we would save up for it (cant afford it, cant have it), really strange and scary i feel to see youngsters starting and living their lives riddled with debt, i cannot shake the feeling that at some point the banks will want to claw it all back.

maybe this is part of the long term plan, let everyone get debt but push on them the 'importance' of getting on the property ladder so that when they finally kick the bucket the banks can claim the house as payment.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Its not just greed and excess. People break the law and break the unwritten rules of a polite and caring and society out of arrogance and selfishness.

I regularly drive on the M25. Often, if there has been a breakdown or an accident, one lane is closed. On a road that busy it leads to tailbacks. Most people people move out of the closed lane as soon as possible and patiently queue. But a significant minority stay in the closed lane until the very last minute so they can avoid most of the queue. Yet, these people don't realise that if they queued in an orderly fashion everyone would get through quicker because people wouldn't have to stop to let them in.

That's the biggest problem with our society. Too many people refuse to follow the rules that are there for the benefit of the whole of society because it means an inconvenience to the individual. I can't abide that kind of arrogance and selfishness.
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A mate of mine driving back from the cricket got caught in the most recent M25 accident when a wagon/lorry caught fire!
 
When I was a kid (many many moons ago), I got stopped by the local bobby for riding two up on a bike. He asked my name, which I told him, he said OK I'll be up to see your father later. Wasn't sure what later meant, but every time there was a knock on the door for the next week suddenly I was off to bed. My father, not a bully in any way or form, would have knocked 10 bells out of me for bringing disgrace to the family, because all the neighbours would have seen the bobby come to our door.
A lot of crime today stems from family values, If the parents don't give a **** the kids won't. If I got a good hiding off a teacher at school, i kept it to myself, if I'd gone home and complained, my old man would have said that there must have been a reason, and i'd have got another good hiding. There is so much of the blame game nowadays, teachers hardly dare say anything to kids for fear of their parents turning up to complain (I know that they are not always in the right), but everyone seems to want to blame something else for their own actions.
Rant over, bring back the birch and the public stocks!
 
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Norway said:
When I was a kid (many many moons ago), I got stopped by the local bobby for riding two up on a bike. He asked my name, which I told him, he said OK I'll be up to see your father later. Wasn't sure what later meant, but every time there was a knock on the door for the next week suddenly I was off to bed. My father, not a bully in any way or form, would have knocked 10 bells out of me for bringing disgrace to the family, because all the neighbours would have seen the bobby come to our door.
A lot of crime today stems from family values, If the parents don't give a **** the kids won't. If I got a good hiding off a teacher at school, i kept it to myself, if I'd gone home and complained, my old man would have said that there must have been a reason, and i'd have got another good hiding. There is so much of the blame game nowadays, teachers hardly dare say anything to kids for fear of their parents turning up to complain (I know that they are not always in the right), but everyone seems to want to blame something else for their own actions.
Rant over, bring back the birch and the public stocks!
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I bet the queue would be a mile long for the birches job.
 
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Norway said:
When I was a kid (many many moons ago), I got stopped by the local bobby for riding two up on a bike. He asked my name, which I told him, he said OK I'll be up to see your father later. Wasn't sure what later meant, but every time there was a knock on the door for the next week suddenly I was off to bed. My father, not a bully in any way or form, would have knocked 10 bells out of me for bringing disgrace to the family, because all the neighbours would have seen the bobby come to our door.
A lot of crime today stems from family values, If the parents don't give a **** the kids won't. If I got a good hiding off a teacher at school, i kept it to myself, if I'd gone home and complained, my old man would have said that there must have been a reason, and i'd have got another good hiding. There is so much of the blame game nowadays, teachers hardly dare say anything to kids for fear of their parents turning up to complain (I know that they are not always in the right), but everyone seems to want to blame something else for their own actions.
Rant over, bring back the birch and the public stocks!
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this is so true, behaviour breeds behaviour
 
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