Off Topic Coronavirus

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[YorkshireHoopster]

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[QPR Oslo]

I have heard good reports on all the vaccines of late Jeff/Ellers.

They all work well, all have some side effects in some people, and not one is statistically linked with anything like blood clots, or growing extra arms

The BBC have finally fessed up to 30 UK cases of unusual serious blood clotting with low blood platelet values in people who had recently taken the AstraZeneca vaccine, and rare antibody responses, resulting in 7 deaths. It's on their website today, and on BBC World news. Specialists have seen the rare antibody response in different patients, and now patients in different Countries who had taken the AZ vaccine, showing that the vaccine is most probably causing this.

Still only a very low number of them reported in relation to total numbers vaccinated, but the delay in owning up to these very serious cases ( I read of 5 such cases and then deaths in the UK, reported in Norwegian media many times days and weeks ago now) and repeated bland assurances by some medical authorities and AstraZeneca that there is no proven connection between these deaths from rare causes and this vaccine, has long began to stink imo. Time to share data and establish if a particular segment of the popuation, such as women aged between 20 and 65, is more at risk or not where it's not already happening. I have read an accusation Germany is holding some data for a new edition of Lancet rather than sharing it immediately with other Countries Health authorities as recommended by the WHO in relation to Covid.

 

[SW Ranger]

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[Star of David Bardsley]

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**** way to introduce yourself. But also hi!

 

[Stroller]

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PCR or lateral flow?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

We are staring in the face of a serious food crisis in Europe as food prices rise continuously, and with further draconian COVID measures within the EU, they are bringing the food supply chains to a standstill

These corona measures have extended to the food supply chains, disrupting them just as we see in electronics. For example, the German Fruit Trade Association sees the supply of fruit and vegetables from abroad is at a substantial risk whereby imports are suspended. The reason is the tightening of the corona entry regulation by the federal government. The tightening of the lockdown in Europe is beginning to restrict the supply chains reducing the food supply.

Then there is talk that a cyber attack would have particularly destructive and dangerous effects on food security, not to mention so much more. The danger of cyber attacks on the German power grid is already being choreographed by the World Economic Forum, which will also take down the banking sector in addition to the food supply. Curiously, there was the same type of meeting in October 2019 laying out the response to a virus. Do they have premonitions of the future, or is there a devious plan to reduce the population and CO2 cleverly pulling off mass genocide as some now believe? Such conspiracy theories emerge whenever you have secret meetings and groups of elites who pontificate from above to the lower beings, who they consider the Great Unwashed.

What is clear is that if we see a significant food shortage, that will also lead to major social unrest and political upheaval would be the result. The mismanagement of the EU government may in fact be their undoing. After all, in the course of the current crisis mismanagement as people have lost jobs and told to stay at home or else, their purchasing power has also decreased simultaneously. This is the worst of all possible outcomes and it is why I question are the leaders really this stupid, or are they devious?

The world is by no means prepared for a food crisis. In major cities, the crisis becomes paramount. In Germany, for example, the VAT stands at 19% for basic food and other everyday items. The European high income-taxes and drastically high VAT taxes further reduce the purchasing power of the common citizen. Add to that the problem of distributing food in a crisis in cities. It has long been realized that even cities like New York have at best a 7-day food supply. A crisis that becomes prolonged will result in a collapse of civil order.
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[Star of David Bardsley]

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[Tramore Ranger]

Sounds like butthuber is back....

 

[qprbeth]

Enuma Elish seems to have disappeared..oh dear, what a shame

 

[rangercol]

I have heard good reports on all the vaccines of late Jeff/Ellers.

They all work well, all have some side effects in some people, and not one is statistically linked with anything like blood clots, or growing extra arms

Oslo says the BBC are now owning up to several blood clots deaths linked to the AZ vaccine.

 

[qprbeth]

Oslo says the BBC are now owning up to several blood clots deaths linked to the AZ vaccine.

Standard rate in the general population for the occcurance of blood clots is 1 in 10,000 per year. It is higher in young women on the contraceptive pill.
Which is lower than the detected rate in the UK for blood clots in vaccinated people

At various stages of the pandemic it was higher than 1:200 had coronovirus infection

The coronovirus actually induces blood clots.

I am still very very happy with the vaccine.
It is staggeringly good and safe

 

[Stroller]

Standard rate in the general population for the occcurance of blood clots is 1 in 10,000 per year. It is higher in young women on the contraceptive pill.
Which is lower than the detected rate in the UK for blood clots in vaccinated people

At various stages of the pandemic it was higher than 1:200 had coronovirus infection

The coronovirus actually induces blood clots.

I am still very very happy with the vaccine.
It is staggeringly good and safe

Thirty cases and seven deaths out of 18 million vaccinations. I did hear some expert or other on the radio today say that he expected a causal link to the vaccine to be established, though.

 

[rangercol]

Thirty cases and seven deaths out of 18 million vaccinations. I did hear some expert or other on the radio today say that he expected a causal link to the vaccine to be established, though.

If that happens, surely the AZ vaccine will be dead in the water?

 

[Stroller]

If that happens, surely the AZ vaccine will be dead in the water?

I don't see why it should. There's risk in everything, but this is statistically tiny. You'd never have a general anaesthetic if you paid too much attention to the statistical risks involved.

 

[qprbeth]

Thirty cases and seven deaths out of 18 million vaccinations. I did hear some expert or other on the radio today say that he expected a causal link to the vaccine to be established, though.

Less than 1 in a million chance.

If you are that lucky/unlucky play the lottery every week
You would win something every single week

 

[rangercol]

I don't see why it should. There's risk in everything, but this is statistically tiny. You'd never have a general anaesthetic if you paid too much attention to the statistical risks involved.

No, I agree, but if it's announced that the vaccine is actually causing fatal blood clots, huge numbers of people won't trust it imo.
Isn't there a difference between a normal number of people getting blood clots statistically, who happen to have had a vaccine and research announcing an actual link to clots from being given the vaccine?
An actual cause as opposed to statistical coincidence.

 

[qprbeth]

For comparison.
Falls from ladders account for an average of 14 deaths per year (averaged over 6 years). According to HSE statistics, falls from ladders account for almost a third of all injuries and cost the UK economy £60 million every year, as well as being the number one cause of workplaces deaths.


Shall we ban ladders

 

[kiwiqpr]

For comparison.
Falls from ladders account for an average of 14 deaths per year (averaged over 6 years). According to HSE statistics, falls from ladders account for almost a third of all injuries and cost the UK economy £60 million every year, as well as being the number one cause of workplaces deaths.


Shall we ban ladders

I thought you said you shouldn't be able to get blood clots and low platelets at the same time

 

[Stroller]

No, I agree, but if it's announced that the vaccine is actually causing fatal blood clots, huge numbers of people won't trust it imo.
Isn't there a difference between a normal number of people getting blood clots statistically, who happen to have had a vaccine and research announcing an actual link to clots from being given the vaccine?
An actual cause as opposed to statistical coincidence.

Yes, I think if an actual link to the vaccine was established it would almost certainly have an impact. People are easily scared, even if the risks are vanishingly small.