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moreinjuredthanowen said:
Yeah but I'm talking this far.

10% of 100mil is still 10mil upfront and we don't even need all of the 100mil to cover people as Pfizer is also there.

The 10mil is huge in accelerating the program
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5m has already been delivered but they , rightly , are now concentrating on poor countries . All this has done is slow the it from its present trajectory but it is still on track for the original schedule . Part of the slack was also due to one batch of 1.7m needing retesting but haven't heard anything further about that .
Well we will learn more tomorrow on the EU stance on vaccine exports .
 
Reports are that 27 million doses of az for the uk have been "found" in Italy. Apparently whatever rule was sent out at the time this is held at the manufacturer.

They cannot be used in eu as the plant is also not registered
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Its most likely a site inspection or audit. I think these have a much longer lead time than we think. Its <6 months though.

however it doesn't tell us what form the thing is in. If its in vials or not etc.
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Yeah but 29 Million, I know they are only tiny bottles, but yer know, it's not like just losing the remote control or your phone.

Edit: just read your last bit...maybe they thought they were brewing Moretti.
 
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brb said:
Yeah but 29 Million, I know they are only tiny bottles, but yer know, it's not like just losing the remote control or your phone.

Edit: just read your last bit...maybe they thought they were brewing Moretti.
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Accroding to the BBC it was a "raid" now I have to say this all falls into the same propagandist type stuff that is out there. Raids v audits are two very big differences.

Apparently the doses are there but the EU commission asked for some italian organsiation to verify that they were actually there. So AZ have lost nothing i assume.

the further statement in it was that all the batches were bound for Beligum.

this is actually odd as AZ is meant to be making in beligum and and netherlands and then packaging in italy/germany, In the end not all the details are clear.

We were only discussing/ getting shouted at/insulted as per here about the sources of AZ and it seems for us they come from the two Uk plants and india.

I would assume the italians are fighting the belgians here and the uk tag has been added. I presume the beligans shipped out batches to be pakcaged and were getting them all back just cos they can ;) every man for themsevles and all that. the european project

If there was 27mil AZ for the UK I'm sure boris would have been shouting about it.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Its most likely a site inspection or audit. I think these have a much longer lead time than we think. Its <6 months though.

however it doesn't tell us what form the thing is in. If its in vials or not etc.
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well according the report

The Italian authorities found the vaccines in a site visit, European Union officials said, at a factory near Rome that is contracted to fill and finish Covid-19 vaccine vials for AstraZeneca

so presumably at least a big proportion is already in the vials .
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
a) the chinese doctor that released the genetic code should be thanked. posthumously.
b) they have not been in the space of a month. some are months behind. J7J is 4 months after AZ for example and others are much later
c) the russians robbed the AZ, everyone says so. then completely short cutted the process.
d) moderna and pfizer are the same tech, the others are radically different tech.
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Nova vax is a completely radically different technology, it uses a carrier to deliver the protein
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basically no thnks to that one. Let it be proven very very much as its so different. its a big enough risk to be jabbing 30million people with the current vaccines on emergency use legislation meant for <100 people.
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I'll be honest, I didnt understand quite a bit of that. A bit yo technical, I dont really pay a great deal of attention any more.

I know they all didn't cone about in the same 30 days, I just found it odd that once one was announced, it seemed a new one was announced every few days. This is all very much perception, I havnt actually checked.

Then again, I've found some of the tinfoil hat pregade quite persuasive on this, it's certainly been fun listening to them.
 
THE FOOL said:
I'll be honest, I didnt understand quite a bit of that. A bit yo technical, I dont really pay a great deal of attention any more.

I know they all didn't cone about in the same 30 days, I just found it odd that once one was announced, it seemed a new one was announced every few days. This is all very much perception, I havnt actually checked.

Then again, I've found some of the tinfoil hat pregade quite persuasive on this, it's certainly been fun listening to them.
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well they all started around the same time with **** loads of money invested to speed it all up plus some work had already been done to prepare for a corona virus .
 
The continued flag waving with az continues.

I've heard several people say az are supplying at cost so why would it be favouring uk over eu.

Az is only supplying developing countries at cost.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
The continued flag waving with az continues.

I've heard several people say az are supplying at cost so why would it be favouring uk over eu.

Az is only supplying developing countries at cost.
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because the UK Govt helped fund the Oxford research , helped with setting up the supply chain i.e. the Wrexham plant and signed an early binding contract with AZ that the UK production would first be used here .
The EU did none of those things .

Oh and originally Oxford was going to collaborate with a US company but the Govt steered them away from that and towards AZ over fears of US protectionism <insert irony emoji >
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
because the UK Govt helped fund the Oxford research , helped with setting up the supply chain i.e. the Wrexham plant and signed an early binding contract with AZ that the UK production would first be used here .
The EU did none of those things .

Oh and originally Oxford was going to collaborate with a US company but the Govt steered them away from that and towards AZ over fears of US protectionism <insert irony emoji >
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exactly, all purely logical and legal giving the EU no place to go.

I don't know why we need to see flag waving and patriotic nonsense to justify a legal contract. I fail to see why the great unwashed need to be pumped up with this sort of stuff and untruths when the turth is more simple and more iron clad.

AZ need to justify to the EU why the plant in the EU isn't even registered to supply the EU that is about it IMO.
 
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Partner had her second jab yesterday. She's been suffering since, pretty much stayed in bed all day today. Lazy cow :bandit:
 
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