Foreign TV rights - should we be able to sell our own ??

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"In what way are Liverpool special "



Well, maybe you need to ask the 80,000 fans in SE Asia ..................... for a start! Or..................all the people that have made lfctv the most visited club website in the world.
 
Alan said:
Should not happen. The divide between the top and bottom clubs will just increase.
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I think the point that KPR is missing is the fact that what makes us and Liverpool big clubs has a lot to do with the league we operate in. This sort of deal would increase the gap and devalue the league. The EPL has to stay at least as competative as it already is or it will end up like La Liga.

As for 12 clubs just making up the numbers . it would be interest to know how many points these 12 clubs have taken from Liverpool in the last few years <ok>
 
'Well, maybe you need to ask the 80,000 fans in SE Asia ..................... for a start! '

Chelsea got just as big crowds for their tour in South East Asia at the same venues. But we would not say we are anywhere near as big as United there
 
This could well become a case of Aesop's most famous fable.

The very thing that makes British clubs so popular is the Premier league, it is considered to be the best in the world.
Start to erode what that means and you may find that with it, the interest erodes too.

La Liga is boring, precisely because only two team are rich enough to dominate it.
The PL is already starting to go down that route with City's spending.
FPP is supposed to bring some order of equality.
I think individual TV rights would create a rich four and a detached sixteen.
 
Elpistoleros magic feet said:
Finally someone sees my point.
Thats what I'm getting at. This is what Liverpool can use to compete in a level playing field with City. All businesses do it. They use their ''niche''. Being a global super-power is Liverpools. There are two ambiguous clubs in the premiership and they are Liverpool and Manchester United, they are known as ''special clubs''. The rest including Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea are generic, there is no difference between them.
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Weren't you one of the people condemning Bryan Robson when he stated "football is a business"? The key to keeping the PL competitive is to curb the ability of clubs to attract vast amounts of outside funding, not to skew the available funds even more.

Ultimately, professional football is there to entertain the fans. That's what all fans should want, barring the most plastic of gloryhunters. People can talk about the bottom 12 or 14 clubs in the PL not having "earned" the prestige of Utd or Liverpool, but does that mean we should effectively give Utd and Liverpool a monopoly on success just because of their previous achievements? What's next, telling the lower placed teams they haven't "earned the right" to have 11 players on the field?

And you forget that the main reason the PL is the biggest league in the world is precisely because it is so competitive. Hundreds of millions of people around the world tune in to see Utd and Liverpool struggle to get results in competitive games against teams like Norwich, Stoke and Sunderland. Would they really do the same just to see us pan Doncaster and Bristol City 6-0 week in week out, as happens in Spain? Would the clubs fill their stadiums for matches like that? Would they hell. Even Barca can't fill their stadium for 90% of the La Liga matches despite being the heart and soul of Catalonia.

I think the individual TV rights thing would be a false economy for the EPL. Yes in the short term the top clubs would gain some extra money, but in the long term the whole league would suffer. Ten years ago Valencia got to consecutive CL finals, last season they were dumped out by Schalke and Sevilla didn't even reach the group stage. And over the last ten years Real have hardly benefited from the extra money, all it has done is created instability as they have the money to change their team every season or two. Over the same period their attendance figures have fallen steadily from about 74,000 in 06/07 to around 63,000 so far this season. So do we think their fans are really happy with all the extra TV money the club has gotten over the same period?

Besides which, clubs already have the opportunity to benefit financially from their global market appeal through sponsorship and commercial deals, as Liverpool and Utd are already doing.
 
KingEric07 said:
I think the point that KPR is missing is the fact that what makes us and Liverpool big clubs has a lot to do with the league we operate in. This sort of deal would increase the gap and devalue the league. The EPL has to stay at least as competative as it already is or it will end up like La Liga.

As for 12 clubs just making up the numbers . it would be interest to know how many points these 12 clubs have taken from Liverpool in the last few years <ok>
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Spot on but when has KPR ever made sense.
 
Maybe Elpistoleros thought his ambiguous use of logic would fool us into thinking he had something worthwhile to say? <whistle>
 
I think clubs should be able to negotiate their own deals. (not just because this will massivley benefit united)


imo there's quite a gap between what the Premier league gets paid for premier league tv rights and what actually ends up at the clubs.

2007-2010 the total income from tv rights was around 2.7 billion. Did 900 mil each season get handed out in prize money? did it ****!


If this goes through, you may as well set the top5 in stone as Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal & Liverpool, because no other team will have a chance of EVER breaking into it.
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No other team has a chance anyway. If it wasn't for rich arab/russian owners lifting clubs up from mid table obscurity then Arsenal and united would have won every PL season since 94/95.

In fact if it wasn't for a certain London club renting some unearned success united would now be walking to their 7th consecutive PL.
 
Swarbs said:
Weren't you one of the people condemning Bryan Robson when he stated "football is a business"? The key to keeping the PL competitive is to curb the ability of clubs to attract vast amounts of outside funding, not to skew the available funds even more.

Ultimately, professional football is there to entertain the fans. That's what all fans should want, barring the most plastic of gloryhunters. People can talk about the bottom 12 or 14 clubs in the PL not having "earned" the prestige of Utd or Liverpool, but does that mean we should effectively give Utd and Liverpool a monopoly on success just because of their previous achievements? What's next, telling the lower placed teams they haven't "earned the right" to have 11 players on the field?

And you forget that the main reason the PL is the biggest league in the world is precisely because it is so competitive. Hundreds of millions of people around the world tune in to see Utd and Liverpool struggle to get results in competitive games against teams like Norwich, Stoke and Sunderland. Would they really do the same just to see us pan Doncaster and Bristol City 6-0 week in week out, as happens in Spain? Would the clubs fill their stadiums for matches like that? Would they hell. Even Barca can't fill their stadium for 90% of the La Liga matches despite being the heart and soul of Catalonia.

I think the individual TV rights thing would be a false economy for the EPL. Yes in the short term the top clubs would gain some extra money, but in the long term the whole league would suffer. Ten years ago Valencia got to consecutive CL finals, last season they were dumped out by Schalke and Sevilla didn't even reach the group stage. And over the last ten years Real have hardly benefited from the extra money, all it has done is created instability as they have the money to change their team every season or two. Over the same period their attendance figures have fallen steadily from about 74,000 in 06/07 to around 63,000 so far this season. So do we think their fans are really happy with all the extra TV money the club has gotten over the same period?

Besides which, clubs already have the opportunity to benefit financially from their global market appeal through sponsorship and commercial deals, as Liverpool and Utd are already doing.
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Superb post <applause>
 
'There are two ambiguous clubs in the premiership and they are Liverpool and Manchester United, they are known as ''special clubs'''

I don't know about being a special club; but some of Liverpool's fans are cetainly special
 
"Chelsea got just as big crowds for their tour in South East Asia at the same venues. But we would not say we are anywhere near as big as United there "



Maybe so....not really the point though. I was just putting forward a couple of points as to what makes Liverpool special - their following worldwide....regardless of anybody else!!
 
Ha ha ha! <laugh> one of the funniest threads I have seen on here.

The beauty of arguments on the net is that your comments stand for all to read and refer back to. In a pub debate you can say something stupid and it is soon forgotten or glossed over but not on the net. Type without thinking at your peril. We all make mistakes but the trick is to own up right away when you have. Defend a mistake and it may never be forgotten. <laugh>
 
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