Twist it, misinterpret it, read it any way you like mate but I'll just state what the man said. 'The head coach has the final say on transfer targets and nobody arrives without the say of Johnson. The 37-year-old explained last summer that ultimately 'Talent ID' comes down to him: ie, he gets to identify transfer target.' 55 plus signings in, nobody arrived without his say and' talent ID ' was down to him, admittedly good or bad.
not twisting anything purely stating what was said at different times by different sources EP/ FL/ETC …. I can well understand what you post and as I said " makes interesting reading"
Like I've said before, you do not sell your BEST assets if you intend to progress and we were trying to progress into the Premiership....which would led those assets to be worth more had we achieved our goal.
That statement is not true (55 signings) etc because First of all this article was produced May 2019 (3 years into LJ's appointment) There were quite radical changes, this setup was introduced well into LJ's reign, so putting things into context, here is the article in full. Multi-million pound transfer deals might be concluded quickly - witness any transfer deadline day shenanigans - but the process of identifying the right players to bring in can be an at-times slow and exacting task if you're going to get it right. Bristol City's chief executive officer Mark Ashton is the public face of the Robins' negotiations but the recruitment department at Ashton Gate runs far deeper than just the CEO, with head coach Lee Johnson explaining that social media profiles and more are scrutinised before targets are agreed on. Previously the Robins have advertised for two key scouting positions, domestically and abroad, following former recruitment chief Des Taylor leaving the club in March 2017 and a key role is played by ex-West Ham and Leeds United defender Mervyn Day, who now heads up the club's scouting network. Ashton has explained previously to us what happens at Ashton Gate when it comes to incoming transfers, when we spoke exclusively to the City chief on a range of subjects. "The way we operate is that our recruitment department reports into me on a daily basis but it works very closely with Lee and his coaching staff as well," said Ashton. "The way we are structured is very simple. We have a head of technical recruitment, which is Sean Gilhespy, and he has a team of data analysts who work with him [believed to be around 10]. "Mervyn Day is our head of scouting. So the physical practicality of watching and reporting on players falls to Mervyn and his team of 10-12 scouts. "But we are still in the process - and funnily enough we've had some more interviews today [back in October 2017] - for someone to come in as a head of international scouting, which is a different skillset. "You've seen us recruit players from overseas markets but it's an area I've felt that we needed to bolster, to get more expertise in those overseas markets," explained Ashton Ashton added back in January that the recruitment team use a mix of eyes at games and data to assess targets. "It’s a total mix of objective and subjective. Let’s be really clear, we never sign a player just on data," he explained in a radio interview. "But we have a team who are technical and data-based who will run through certain characteristics in players all over the world to see if they match what Lee’s requirements are. We have the scouts who visually do that the same. "Let’s be really clear, this is not moneyball. I hear that said so many times at different clubs. It’s simply not. And whilst the data and the technical aspect has an absolute key element to what we do these days you’re never going to beat eyes on the ground, watching the players, getting a feel for the players. "There has to be a real mix of the two. If you sat in my office and saw the database of players we now have at the football club you would see it covers the globe. It’s incredible," he said Head coach Lee Johnson The head coach has the final say on transfer targets and nobody arrives without the say of Johnson. The 37-year-old explained last summer that ultimately 'Talent ID' comes down to him: ie, he gets to identify transfer targets. Chief Executive Officer Mark Ashton In charge of recruitment across the club and also the chief negotiator in terms of assessing appropriate transfer fees for players, both buying and selling, and how those payments will be structured. Head of technical recruitment Sean Gilhespy Oversees a team of data analysts who examine targets to also be scouted live and at matches too. The club is believed to use data from several specific recruitment organisations such as Scout 7 - recently purchased by the Perform Group who also own Opta. Other software, such as the Wyscout system, is also be used. Head of player loans Brian Tinnion Club legend Brian Tinnion has an input regarding the Robins' stable of young talents and where they may go on loan as well as regarding incoming younger players. Tinnion and Johnson have developed a good relationship. Tinnion is also able to call upon a good network of contacts across the south west, as can Johnson. Head of Scouting Mervyn Day Day will watch transfer targets live and runs a further network of 10-12 scouts. Reports on targets watched in person will be compiled and set against the data collected by the analysts before a final shortlist is produced. Owner Steve Lansdown Johnson explained to us previously how potential transfers will be put to the majority share owner at Bristol City and that Lansdown may even offer some input, as was the case with Antoine Semenyo in January witht eh owner advocating for the return of the Chelsea tartget back to BS3 from Newport for Johnson and co to have a close look at him. The board will then look to sanction the move while financial negotiations are conducted by Ashton.
I see what your attempting there. Earlier in the thread you were refuting that players had to be sold. I have not mentioned best assets only that losses necessitated players were sold. Other clubs have to sell players, their best ones and can still progress. Southampton are an example. At one point I thought Mr Johnson was going to pursue that bottom up philosophy of development. Mr Johnson had so many players and styles of play ... I have done this one before several times and years ago. Assets had to be sold because so much resources was spent on Lee Johnson’s evolving cycles of change, change that a club like Southampton avoid through strategy, philosophy and systems of play.
That is a complete repeat of what is already supplied, no deception, all what you have illustrated I had in a link for all to view under my comment on #156, it was all there for all to read, it was all in context, understood and fully explained to LJ, he even worded it to the author himself. I believe it proves that LJ was involved with all incoming transfers and the 'Talent ID' was down to him: ie, he gots to identify transfer targets, he was a decision maker with head coach responsibilities and nobody arrived without the final say of Johnson. I did say in a previous comment that I would have to dig out this article, I have no argument with your points, I'm just laying out the facts as they are printed. Key decision makers Head coach Lee Johnson The head coach has the final say on transfer targets and nobody arrives without the say of Johnson. The 37-year-old explained last summer that ultimately 'Talent ID' comes down to him: ie, he gets to identify transfer targets.
55 plus signings in, nobody arrived without his say and' talent ID ' was down to him, admittedly good or bad Your quote Wiz....You are implying all 55 signings made with the changes that were implemented at the club, but the recent setup was way into LJ's reign and that article was produced May 2019, 3 years into it..
That's the way they operated it says it right here, they didn't start using LJ to start their system the day of publication, it was the way they worked, he was involved in his role from day 1, it was called head coach. "The way we operate is that our recruitment department reports into me on a daily basis but it works very closely with Lee and his coaching staff as well," said Ashton.
I do not wish to get embroiled in the general banter, this statement does sort of imply that Mark Ashton is the main man, the recruitment staff are the important ones? and the "as well" comment seems to indicate the coaching staff are third in line? possibly taking in to account they have more important tasks at hand.
Not in the context of my reading plus it doesn't say or indicate when he had the say on targets, just that he did at the time of publication. Other roles implicated producing the targets even SL had input!! Head of technical recruitment Sean Gilhespy Oversees a team of data analysts who examine targets to also be scouted live and at matches too. The club is believed to use data from several specific recruitment organisations such as Scout 7 - recently purchased by the Perform Group who also own Opta. Other software, such as the Wyscout system, is also be used. Head of player loans Brian Tinnion Club legend Brian Tinnion has an input regarding the Robins' stable of young talents and where they may go on loan as well as regarding incoming younger players. Tinnion and Johnson have developed a good relationship. Tinnion is also able to call upon a good network of contacts across the south west, as can Johnson. Head of Scouting Mervyn Day Day will watch transfer targets live and runs a further network of 10-12 scouts. Reports on targets watched in person will be compiled and set against the data collected by the analysts before a final shortlist is produced. Owner Steve Lansdown Johnson explained to us previously how potential transfers will be put to the majority share owner at Bristol City and that Lansdown may even offer some input, as was the case with Antoine Semenyo in January witht eh owner advocating for the return of the Chelsea tartget back to BS3 from Newport for Johnson and co to have a close look at him.
Implications, context, indications and importance all good sounding words, I will still refer to Juniors own words ~ Head coach Lee Johnson The head coach has the final say on transfer targets and nobody arrives without the say of Johnson. The 37-year-old explained last summer that ultimately 'Talent ID' comes down to him: ie, he gets to identify transfer targets. His own words,not mine, oh I do have a few ~ failure, responsible, boring, waffle.
Not the point I'm getting too Wiz and you know it!! from when was this introduced is the question? and it wasn't when he was appointed. The article indicates it was recent of that publication, so nearly 3 years in to his appointment then!! My few words are success, 4 years, Championship, 4 decades !! Merry Christmas!!
Maybe not your point, I am quoting Juniors points, 3 transfer windows, 5 years for Europe, final say on transfer targets, nobody arrives without the say of Johnson, ultimately 'Talent ID' comes down to him and he gets to identify transfer targets, how long is the grass? I do wish you a Merry Christmas and I have enjoyed our bit of banter.
Nothing wrong with his ambition, just didn't manage to achieve it with us......Most managers that do the circuits will say similar things....all part of the job.. You too Wiz...Enjoy!
This statement 'Talent ID' (comes down to him /me) from Lee, can easily, in the frame to which it published be ambiguous, it does not state pre or post. It may not apply to all players brought in, it does not have the precursor of Lee saying "ultimately my decision"! It could mean that whether the player is talented enough or developed, by him or his coach's, to a maximum or required standard is down to him, after being added to squad! the "ie, he gets to identify transfer targets" is a post interpretation ! It does not mean he gets to ID all targets, but merely has like all managers or coach's the opportunity to talent spot himself and put forward likely targets. The wording "ultimately" is out of context if applied to all transfer signings before they sign on the dotted line. Apologies should I be stepping on toes, it is not really my intention to join in some of the more heated discussions, but when I see an argument where the wording supports both sides it niggles me!
