Match Day Thread Norwich City vs. Sheffield Wednesday Sat 5th Dec KO 3.00 pm

[Canary Rob]

Rob, you must be joking. The tactics are to score the first goal, force the opposition to come out, and then put the game to bed. Going behind and playing catchup have no place in it. Rather than textbook Farke tactics, it was textbook Farke having to rescue something out of nothing. The players managed it today, but they didn't manage it last Wednesday.

You must have missed the part where I said we would have preferred to score earlier and them not to.

The tactics were clear - dominate possession, create chances and fatigue them.

The non Farke plan bit was Buendia and Stiepermann getting frustrated and our defenders (Gibson at fault to be honest) falling asleep.

 

[oldcanariesfan]

Watched the highlights this morning. How come the fans were mostly not wearing masks, is that not a requirement any more?

Masks were compulsory until you were in your seat. Once seated they could be removed ( as in bars and restaurants when eating). It all felt very safe.

 

[robbieBB]

You must have missed the part where I said we would have preferred to score earlier and them not to.

I didn't miss it, but "preferring to score earlier and not concede" is not part of any tactical plan. There's no secret about what the plan is, DF has laid it out on several occasions, and it's evident from how we start every match bar a very few exceptions (e.g. v Man City). The plan is to establish domination through possession, score the first goal, force the opposition forward and then pick them off. Mostly what happens is that the opposition let us have all the possession we want at the start and simply make sure we don't score. They wait for us to give the ball away in a dangerous area and then score the first goal themselves. Once that has happened (as is all too frequent) the original "plan" is out of the window.

 

[RiverEndRick]

Typical kids then, no respect for age and the experience it brings ........

I was 24 when I moved to the fine city and went to my first game in 1972. Much as I'd like to be younger, the years add up!

 

[RiverEndRick]

I didn't miss it, but "preferring to score earlier and not concede" is not part of any tactical plan. There's no secret about what the plan is, DF has laid it out on several occasions, and it's evident from how we start every match bar a very few exceptions (e.g. v Man City). The plan is to establish domination through possession, score the first goal, force the opposition forward and then pick them off. Mostly what happens is that the opposition let us have all the possession we want at the start and simply make sure we don't score. They wait for us to give the ball away in a dangerous area and then score the first goal themselves. Once that has happened (as is all too frequent) the original "plan" is out of the window.

I think it's more likely this year that we face an extreme low block packed defence to prevent us from scoring as the opposition hopes to get lucky with a late chance, like the wendies did yesterday. Stiepi's clearance off the line was their only other close chance that I recall. Our best chances tend to come late as their defences tire, as happened yesterday.

 

[Farked19]

I gather Delia is on the pitch. Is she pissed again?

Please don't get me wrong, I'm only joking - I really like Delia. She makes me remember an aunt who used to dance on the tables at one of the local pubs. She was great fun. Much better than the other aunts who would come round and ask, 'Why isn't he married yet?', 'Why is he still studying?', 'Why isn't he a nasty, narrow-minded bigot like me?'

Best of luck today, yellows.

I don't Wish to be sexist, but those who are sufficiently mature to remember Delia when she first appeared on our screens back in the 70's will realise that it isn't just Nigella who combined cooking with a more basic appeal to the male part of her audience. Perhaps that's part of the reason I enjoy cooking so much today.

 

[robbieBB]

I don't Wish to be sexist, but those who are sufficiently mature to remember Delia when she first appeared on our screens back in the 70's will realise that it isn't just Nigella who combined cooking with a more basic appeal to the male part of her audience. Perhaps that's part of the reason I enjoy cooking so much today.

Well now, you never saw Sandy Kennon, but you fell for Delia when she first appeared on local TV in the 70s ..........

 

[robbieBB]

I think it's more likely this year that we face an extreme low block packed defence to prevent us from scoring as the opposition hopes to get lucky with a late chance, like the wendies did yesterday. Stiepi's clearance off the line was their only other close chance that I recall. Our best chances tend to come late as their defences tire, as happened yesterday.

Our record for scoring late goals doesn't mean that "it's all part of the plan" though Rick. I think Rob is dignifying what happens when things don't go to plan by suggesting these late salvage jobs are all part of it. It's a great weapon to have if you need it, but I don't for a moment believe that DF's plan is based on it.

 

[Farked19]

Well now, you never saw Sandy Kennon, but you fell for Delia when she first appeared on local TV in the 70s ..........

Maybe you are getting your decades mixed up. I first watched Norwich in 1972 but I seem to recall Kennon playing fir my home town team of Lowestoft several years prior to that, maybe late 60's?

 

[Golden Eadie 2]

Typical kids then, no respect for age and the experience it brings ........

Age and experience are great attributes for the older generation to impart knowledge and wisdom to the younger of our society. Unfortunately for you, it has to be done in a way that is understood and appreciated by said youngsters, and this you fail to do. If I am correct, from a post you posted several months ago, and your Sandy Kennon reference, you are an octogenarian. I am not far behind you, but I hope I have more understanding of life than you seem to show.

 

[Canary Rob]

I didn't miss it, but "preferring to score earlier and not concede" is not part of any tactical plan. There's no secret about what the plan is, DF has laid it out on several occasions, and it's evident from how we start every match bar a very few exceptions (e.g. v Man City). The plan is to establish domination through possession, score the first goal, force the opposition forward and then pick them off. Mostly what happens is that the opposition let us have all the possession we want at the start and simply make sure we don't score. They wait for us to give the ball away in a dangerous area and then score the first goal themselves. Once that has happened (as is all too frequent) the original "plan" is out of the window.

OK, Robbie, if you’re going to deliberately misunderstand the point I’m making we are done here

 

[Canary Rob]

Our record for scoring late goals doesn't mean that "it's all part of the plan" though Rick. I think Rob is dignifying what happens when things don't go to plan by suggesting these late salvage jobs are all part of it. It's a great weapon to have if you need it, but I don't for a moment believe that DF's plan is based on it.

Except that’s quite simply not what I said, but thanks for misconstruing my point.

 

[1950canary]

At 76 I am not as as old as some on here but I did start going to Carrow Road in 1950 when I am certain that Ken Nethercott would have been our GK. I went to every game home and away in the famous Cup run and so saw the game when Ken broke his collarbone but carried on playing because there were no subs in those days. Sandy Kennon came in to take his place and as far as I can recall Ken never got his place back. The only players that really stick in my mind from the early 50's are my childhood hero Jonny Gavin, Don Pickwick and Noel Kinsey although Ron Ashman would have been about at that time. My goodness - how the game has changed.

 

[Golden Eadie 2]

I am very slightly older than you 1950, well my birthday is in 17 days so I am probably correct. I went to Wymondham college in the 1950's and football was taboo in those days. Only rugby was allowed, so being from the Swaffham area also, I was never able to get to Carrow Road until I joined the RAF in 1960. I had a deprived childhood obviously.

 

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[RiverEndRick]

Our record for scoring late goals doesn't mean that "it's all part of the plan" though Rick. I think Rob is dignifying what happens when things don't go to plan by suggesting these late salvage jobs are all part of it. It's a great weapon to have if you need it, but I don't for a moment believe that DF's plan is based on it.

I didn't mention 'plan', just the way many games have gone this season. I'm sure DF would prefer us scoring 2 unanswered goals in the first half, like we did at Stoke. Your description is more apt for last season, when we did lose the ball in dangerous positions far more, but this season we've been much better at not doing so. A more experienced back four is one reason and tighter midfield play another.

For me, Farkeball is a style of play designed to limit opposition access to the ball while seeking to create overloads or space to exploit to maximise our own scoring chances. Injuries have foiled that at times as against Coventry and Luton, but for the most part our style of play has been successful, which is why we're on top of the league.

 

[robbieBB]

I didn't mention 'plan', just the way many games have gone this season. I'm sure DF would prefer us scoring 2 unanswered goals in the first half, like we did at Stoke. Your description is more apt for last season, when we did lose the ball in dangerous positions far more, but this season we've been much better at not doing so. A more experienced back four is one reason and tighter midfield play another.

For me, Farkeball is a style of play designed to limit opposition access to the ball while seeking to create overloads or space to exploit to maximise our own scoring chances. Injuries have foiled that at times as against Coventry and Luton, but for the most part our style of play has been successful, which is why we're on top of the league.

I agree with almost all of that Rick. DF is certainly doing the job he was recruited to do, i.e. keep us among the top 26 clubs in England -- but in the range 18 to 26 rather than 13 to 26. I agree that we have benefitted from recruiting experience (Gibson, Quintilla, Rupp) and a proper DM (Skipp), but IMO most of the "better" is simply from being back in the Championship.

 

[Farked19]

Interesting that you separate 13 from 18. ( it appears to be 17 this season as I cannot see any further than the bottom four clubs in The Premiership for this year's drop. What I think is significant is that the bottom club with ten straight defeats at the end of last season is now top of The Championship. Has the gap between the top two tiers become too large?

 

[robbieBB]

Age and experience are great attributes for the older generation to impart knowledge and wisdom to the younger of our society. Unfortunately for you, it has to be done in a way that is understood and appreciated by said youngsters, and this you fail to do. If I am correct, from a post you posted several months ago, and your Sandy Kennon reference, you are an octogenarian. I am not far behind you, but I hope I have more understanding of life than you seem to show.

Welcome back to reading my posts GE2 . Regarding "life", football fandom should never be mistaken for it!