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BCFCRob said:
I'll be completely honest, as much as I did disagree with you on the other stuff, and still do, I did a bit more research into the vaccines and I didn't realise they had been tested on such small numbers of people. As in I was expecting thousands and in the end it ended up being tested on around 100 Covid patients in some cases.

I have complete confidence in our health professionals to give out a safe vaccine, particularly the Oxford one, but if it's optional then I don't see any harm in waiting a few months, assuming it won't impact your life. By that point you'd like to think some of the more obvious downsides would have come out and you can make a more educated decision.
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And that's the problem Rob.....We get inundated with misleading figures and stats..So when it was announced that based on 43000 volunteers they reached 90% effective rate, that initially sounds promising.......and most people would believe it............But then, when you dig for the facts.....just under 100 of those 43000 tested positive...
Sorry, but same applies to 53000 deaths caused by Covid.....It's misleading.
Regarding having complete confidence in our health professionals to give out a safe vaccine.....Like you.......I can't share your confidence and won't have it unless it interferes with my travel plans!!
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
And that's the problem Rob.....We get inundated with misleading figures and stats..So when it was announced that based on 43000 volunteers they reached 90% effective rate, that initially sounds promising.......and most people would believe it............But then, when you dig for the facts.....just under 100 of those 43000 tested positive...
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To be fair it didn't require much digging, it is easily accessible. I just thought it would be tested on far higher numbers. In one of them, it was tested on 170 patients, but 162 were placebo. Only 8 actually had the vaccine.

I won't pretend to know anything about vaccines, but I gather that if they're willing to roll it out to the general population, the way they are manufactured, designed, tested, etc means they must have a huge amount of certainty on whether it will work or not. Whether it's from experience or maths, or whatever, I'm not sure how they work. At the end of the day if it goes wrong, they will be sued the **** out of!

oneforthebristolcity said:
Sorry, but same applies to 53000 deaths caused by Covid.....It's misleading.
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I mean, we've done it to death but I still 1,000,000% disagree on this. If it's misleading I think it's actually too low, but you think it's too high and that's fine.
 
BCFCRob said:
I won't pretend to know anything about vaccines, but I gather that if they're willing to roll it out to the general population, the way they are manufactured, designed, tested, etc means they must have a huge amount of certainty on whether it will work or not. Whether it's from experience or maths, or whatever, I'm not sure how they work. At the end of the day if it goes wrong, they will be sued the **** out of!
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They will have some sort of Insurances or defence mate. ..Not sure that cuts it with me....but seems like you're happy to follow the mass fed.
Even though vaccines of course saves millions of lives, mistakes have been made, especially in the early stages..All has to be weighed up pros & cons and the chances of me falling ill or worse which in my opinion as you know is very minimal.

A quick scan on google showed some of the vaccines pushed out to quick

And of course not forgetting the drug Thalidomide that was used in the late 1950s and early 1960s for the treatment of nausea in pregnant women.


An early version of the measles vaccine resulted in (you guessed it) a bunch of kids getting measles.

Children treated with a vaccine designed to combat respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) actually developed an “enhanced” version of the disease, as the AAMC wrote, resulting in two deaths.

As recently as 2017, a vaccine supposed to combat dengue fever actually was shown to cause a worse form of the disease.

The list goes on: As much as 30 percent of polio vaccines were contaminated with simian virus for eight years. The swine flu vaccine increased risk of Guillain-Barré Syndrome. The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine caused narcolepsy in some patients.
And of course, there were glass particles in the HPV vaccine back in 2013.
 
"happy to follow the mass fed"

This is the one time I'm bloody agreeing with you <laugh>. Surely this is the one time I'm not following the "mass fed" in your eyes.
 
Asking for a friend Onefor

With all your conspiracy theory, how do you know the articles telling you it’s a conspiracy regarding Covid believe that? That may be a conspiracy theory on a conspiracy theory?
 
RedorDead said:
Confirmed Coeliac, was diagnosed years ago but did not adhere to diet and only stayed away from things that I knew made me feel like ****e.
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ouch .... I guess in a way I am lucky, lost 2 of 6 family with cancer, dad before 60 and brother 2013 just over 60, [ another brother at 17 hit by van on wrong side of road.] only serious problem was my op "to save my ability to walk, mostly of my own doing" best wish's with your battle and hopefully your meds will help and work....
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
And that's the problem Rob.....We get inundated with misleading figures and stats..So when it was announced that based on 43000 volunteers they reached 90% effective rate, that initially sounds promising.......and most people would believe it............But then, when you dig for the facts.....just under 100 of those 43000 tested positive...
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it is misleading, how these test work, as far as I am aware is that a number of candidates are randomly selected % get it % placebo what or how the 100 represents IS not clear! the 100 could represent the 5% who the vaccine failed to stop?
21500 is half but 5% is over a 1000 so somewhere there is confusing figures!
5% = 100 so 100% = 2000 so were there a final test on just 2000 or 4000? [ mentioned elsewhere these test/trials normally last years and have maybe 4 stages! ] do they reduce numbers /peeps drop out?
 
RedorDead said:
Asking for a friend Onefor

With all your conspiracy theory, how do you know the articles telling you it’s a conspiracy regarding Covid believe that? That may be a conspiracy theory on a conspiracy theory?
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Quick answer, I don't think it is...I would say it's a conspiracy theory if we we're given all the facts without being misled by scaremongering figures and reports, especially by the main stream media that thrive on the mass that believe them!!
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
Quick answer, I don't think it is...I would say it's a conspiracy theory if we we're given all the facts without being misled by scaremongering figures and reports, especially by the main stream media that thrive on the mass that believe them!!
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You say this but then go on and regurgitate everything that the mainstream media prints! You're their dream mate. You're imposter syndrome in action.
 
RedorDead said:
How do you know? What proof do you have that he wasn’t
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Well it's believed that he was assassinated in 1865 and being the internet wasn't invented until 1989......it seems pretty unlikely.........various accounts from around the globe gives me enough proof for this to be correct!!
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
:emoticon-0172-mooni:emoticon-0172-mooni:emoticon-0172-mooni Blogs & websites are MAIN stream media are they? <doh><doh><doh> FFS
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Maybe it's just coincidence that you have the exact same opinions that they want you to have then! All the while thinking you're one of the 'free thinkers'.

RedorDead said:
But that’s only what you’ve read mate in mainstream news <laugh><laugh>
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Never believe the lamestream media onefor. He was never assassinated and is currently alive and well!
 
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