Lol, round and round in circles with you lot. We're back onto trophies again. I'll try once mroe for you; trophies are great to win and everything, but they only count for a year, then somebody else has them. The greatest achievement you lot should be celebrating is your league 1 promotion, and avoiding a relagtion battle this year. Which with your squad, you've done well to avoid. I think it's a shame that so many teams like yourselves earn their success by being dirty and aggressive, but that's football I guess. The trophies you got 40 years ago don't count for anything now. Same as Pele doesn't claim to be the best player in the world, just because he used to be good.
Norwich bigger than Leeds?? give me a break love, you spout total rubbish, go back to your own board and discuss how good your sisters are at going down on you, L1 champions, big deal, above us in the league (at the moment, by 2 points), wow, we are STILL a bigger club and always will be. As for Hull, come on, you will be back in the 4th division soon where you belong, you have nothing.
How do you know trophies are great to win? Clubs like the tiggers don't know anything about winning trophies because they've never won anything, so you can't really talk about it. All the clubs who have won things at home and abroad have what they call an Honours list, i realise you haven't got one cos youv'e won **** all, but the clubs that have are proud of them, and rightly so. If Pele hadn't won a thing you would not have mentioned him, but because he was successful you remember him, and thats why you remember us and find your way onto this board
We get BETTER crowds than Hull and Norwich. We get the BEST attendances in the League. No hiding from that fact. You don't fill the KC so that argument is unfounded. Where's the proof that you even have that many fans who'd go week in week out? Rubbish. No stadium has 16% of its capacity taken up by segregation. Hull and Norwich don't sell out every week, so don't make out they have fans who'd go every game waiting outside the ticket office unable to get tickets. Anyone who wants to go can go, except when Leeds come to town and you small clubs actually sell out. It's an important factor, but by no means the be all and the end all. I'd say fanbase is equally important, something which Leeds easily beat Hull and Norwich at. Proof? See any recent fan census taken, Leeds are invariably in the UK top 10. Third division trophies mean nothing. FA Cups, First Division titles, League Cups, European silverware, come back to me when Hull have won any of those things. Rubbish. Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal are proud of their histories, they care about them, and rightly so. Your argument doesn't stand up yet again. We have players of the quality of Snodgrass, Howson and Kilkenny and you have the temerity to call them "talentless", indeed "thugs"? And you say it's me who's "having a laugh"? Stoke play the long-ball game, we play passing, attacking football. Big difference. So what if we commit more fouls than the average Championship team? It's a contact sport and we're Leeds United, it's the way we play and we're proud of it. If you can't handle the physicality of football, go be a fan of croquet or something. Our defence aren't great, but they're not "crap" by any stretch of the imagination; we've just kept two clean sheets in a row. With a bit of protection from midfield they'll be sorted. If they were hauling Fryatt down as much as you say, they'd have been sent off, which they weren't, so I can only assume you're hysterically exaggerating as you have an inclination to do from what I can see from the rest of your poorly-written post. He was elbowed in the face by Bothroyd when "somebody gave him one back". Professionalism and giving defenders a shove is part and parcel of the game; intentional assault like what Bothroyd did to him is not, and is a crime. You'd give your twelfth finger to have a squad with the ability and potential of ours. I can empathize with how bitter Hull fans are going to be living in our shadow all the time, but jeez why don't you just calm down and accept we're better? I suspect it's better for your health that way.
We have a fanbase on a par with any Premiership club outside of Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool. Of course we're a MASSIVE club. Like I say in my previous post, see any fan census, or the fact that the LUFC official website gets the fifth most hits of any UK football club website, only beaten by Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Tottenham, all of whom get weekly exposure on Sky television which millions get to see worldwide. Not bad for such a small, second-division club, eh? Why shouldn't we go on about history? We were the best club in the world. See the UEFA Coefficients from the time if you don't believe me. No other English club has been dominant in world football for such a long time as Leeds. If that's not something to be rightly proud of, I don't know what is. "Cheated, hacked and hoofed". Proof please? Go watch some Leeds matches from that era online. If you search 'Steakandsid' on YouTube, you can watch a few of the Revie team's games and you'll see with your own eyes what excellent footballing ability they possessed. By my calculations, only seven teams in England have won more important silverware than United, and three of those won most of their stuff before the 1960s when fan culture arose. So your claim that we've won "pretty much nowt" makes no sense. Norwich haven't beaten Leeds in our last three encounters (could be more) and our record against you at Elland Road is outstanding. Give me our fans any day over your load of face-painted, balloon-touting, hat-wearing, tinpot, small-time silent witness replica shirt inbreds. I don't care about our reputation as long as we keep on supporting our team with noise and numbers, home and away. And no other English club comes close to us for that. Go on then, how did Leeds fans "misbehave"? And please explain what "anti football" is and give me your evidence that Leeds employ that. From what I've seen in watching far more Leeds matches than you've done this season, we play a very attractive brand of football which is not negative at all. In fact, if anything it's been too attractive if you look at how many goals we've scored (more than anyone else) and the large amount we've conceded. That's not even true though, is it? And what does it matter if you "fill the stadium"? We get more fans than you and we make more noise than you. I'm not saying I wouldn't like us to get 40k every week, but really that's all that matters. ...you do realize that there are Leeds forums like WACCOE which get more visitors than most Norwich boards put together, right? And Leeds is a large, educated city; I think it's a bit rich for some country bumpkin to start criticizing us for our literacy rates thank you very much. I'll pipe down when they start scoring more goals than us. As it stands we've scored more than anyone else, which proves my point that we have the best strikeforce in English football outside the top division. Now you pipe down, Fox. No, we do have trophies. You might not but we certainly do, it's a factor in attracting players to our club, and your analogy conflating players and clubs doesn't work. Clubs can be BIG because of their history, whereas players can't. Leeds are a big club because of our history and fanbase. Franz Beckenbauer's history and fanbase has nothing to do with his size. Silly analogy. Why? That is part of our history which you say we aren't allowed to celebrate. Either we can celebrate all of it, or none of it. Either way we're still better than you right now and we were better than you back then. Why should we be celebrating avoiding a relegation battle? No-one thought we'd be in one pre-season and we haven't exactly been struggling since. Sorry, please name the players we use every week who aren't of playoff standard? See above where I debunk this obtuse argument.
"Cheated, hacked and hoofed". Proof please? Go watch some Leeds matches from that era online. If you search 'Steakandsid' on YouTube, you can watch a few of the Revie team's games and you'll see with your own eyes what excellent footballing ability they possessed." Right, Ive been away and watched all those matches - werent easy to find mind as nobody cares about Revie when you can watch clough and I was correct you Cheated, hacked and hoofed your way to victory. If it wasnt for you cheating you wouldnt have won a dime baby! P.S. Clough was like Mourinho mixed with Guardiola and Revie was a mix of Phil Brown and Sam Allardyce with a bunch of Kevin Muscates playing for him.
The best footballing side you will ever see you ****ing ******, how many Norwich players have been players of the year? how many internationals have you had in the same side, in fact have you won anything at all, you'd be better off supporting Ipswich, at least they've won trophies and have history..........and more loyal fans.
just run it by me again..............how did LEEDS do against Leicester this season ? please don't make an ass of yourselves with replies
Il Duce, I've noticed you popping over to the hull board a few times recently where you make reasonable comments and make some sense. However on here, particularly when the topic is Leeds, you just talk rubbish. You just made a massive post listing everything I've said and saying it's 'rubbish' without really stating any fact to back it up. You completely dismissed that Hull and Norwich fill their stadia, which we do, and no matter how much you deny it, we do have a massive amount of police segregation. It'd be very easy for us to just disagree over and over again but I feel it makes a bit more sense when you back it up, and not just deny plain fact. You asked for a list of players who are thugs, I think that Becchio is a horrible little player, in the Kevin Davies or Fellaini mould. His skills are basically cheating and sly fouls, then when he gets one back he makes a massive fuss about it. Snodgrass, who is the relatively technical player within your squad, is obsessed with the shoulder barge and just throws himself about all over the place and this was a very common feature in our clash at the KC where Grayson realised he could stop a footballing side by getting dirty and physical. Yes, it's not illegal to be dirty or aggressive, but it spoils good football. Personally I'd be more bothered about how my team plays now than what they achieved before my lifetime. Leeds are currently a dirty side. Inevitably whatever I say you'll just come back with "you've won now" as if it's suddenly become relevant, but I feel I should try nonetheless.
ISTPLT, when I venture onto away boards, I try not to do so with the sole intention of winding their fans up (let's face it, that's a bit sad), and if I do make seemingly inflammatory comments, they're usually written in good nature without wishing just to annoy. However the same can't be said of the away fans on our board who have for the most part made unsubstantiated garbage points and slandered my club which I will seek to defend. You say I dismiss your points, so I'll examine them in closer detail, one-by-one and we'll look at the facts. Norwich's average attendance is 25207 in a stadium of 26034 seats. Which means about 800 seats are empty in the average home game. It is possible that these are netted off for segregation, but I have no idea whether Norwich sell out every home game or not. As for Hull, your average attendance is 21167 out of a capacity of 25404. Clearly this is NOT a sell out crowd, and these 4000+ seats are NOT used for segregation as the biggest crowd of the season (incidentally when Leeds came to town) was 24110. It is impossible that 15% of the capacity would be used in segregation for other games and suddenly this segregation would be reduced for Leeds in a derby game that would surely require segregation more than any other League fixture this season. So I don't buy your point that "the 16% we don't fill is just police segregation" and "If we had a 38,000 seater as you do, we'd smash your attendance." We've seen that most of that 16% is not segregated, they are empty seats which Hull fans do not buy. That shows that you do not have the fans to get 2/3 attendance in a 38,000 seater, let alone "smash" our attendances. Just to put this to bed, in the Hull vs Leeds game, a MAXIMUM of 1,304 seats were segregated. There is no reason that should be higher for other fixtures and it's a shoddy pretence to hide behind in the attendances debate. The traditional English centre-forward, then? He's scored an awful lot of goals (13), and got an awful lot of assists (7) for someone whose skills are "basically cheating and sky fouls". In fact, in the Actim Index, Becchio is rated as the Championship's ninth best player. Again, pretty good for someone with no skills other than cheating. The players Becchio fouls try to get free kicks when they are fouled, Becchio tries to get free kicks when other players foul him. I don't see the inconsistency there, that is true of every professional footballer is it not? And it would show a lack of professionalism if players never took the risk of committing a foul on another player, or indeed if they refused to ever appeal for a free kick after they deemed themselves to be illegally challenged by another player. The one time he made a "massive fuss" was after an utterly reckless challenge from Jay Bothroyd. If you'd watched it I'm sure you'd agree he was well within his rights to complain, and in fact it was the club, and not Becchio who made the complaint. Luciano simply dusted himself off, shrugged off the stupid challenge and got on with the game at hand. If Becchio had made that challenge on an opposition player, I would have no issue with them making a public complaint. Can you not bring yourself to fully admit that he is a good technical player? I'll happily admit that players like Jimmy Bullar, Tijani Belaid and I'm sure others in your squad have decent technical ability. By saying he is "the relatively technical player" (singular), you are also neglecting players like Jonny Howson and Neil Kilkenny, both of whom have fantastic passing ability. The shoulder barge is within the laws of the game. I will continue this point below. For me, football is a contact sport. The perfect brand of football is not weak midgets shying out of challenges and playing a completely no-contact tiki-taki possession-obsessed game. For e, the perfect football mixes neat passing, aerial ability, strong, robust challenges, and a gung-ho attacking mentality. For me, this current Leeds side are doing a decent job of producing that, and I think it's wrong to say that our playing style inevitably stifles entertaining matches being played. We have played superb quality football against Arsenal (away), QPR (home), Millwall (home), both the Scunthorpe fixures, and in fact there have been countless other decent footballing performances which it would take me too long to mention on here. As for your point that Leeds are not a footballing side and Hull somehow are, that is completely flawed. Hull are in the bottom six of the Fair Play table, so I don't think Tigers fans are in any position to be dishing out lectures about their side playing clean and ours being dirty. And I put it to you: isn't that what being Yorkshire's all about? Leeds, Hull and Sheff Utd are all down there in the bottom six of the fair play league. Barnsley are fifth in the fouls conceded table; Leeds are top. Should the people of God's own county not be proud that our representatives are demonstrating our characteristic grit and determination on the football field? Should that not be how our football manifests itself? Honest hard work and endeavour, not caring if some southern tosspot tells us the 'right way' to play, thinking for ourselves rather than being dictated to. I'm not defending playing cynical, or indeed boring football. But I question the consensus that says "fouls are bad, lots and lotsa passes are good". The most entertaining football is end-to-end, urgent, hectic, committed, furiously aggressive, robust and fluid. Putting aside petty rivalries, I'll gladly admit that Hull are playing nice football and have a good chance of getting into the playoffs. And I think you should give Simon Grayson's brand of football more credit than you do; after all, it's taking us back to the Premiership where we belong. Any points you feel I haven't covered in adequate detail, let me know and I'll discuss them.
I love how you started that post by saying that winding up people is sad. But with a post that long just to 'protect my club' I think the only sad act here is yourself. Leeds are not a big club anymore.
I didn't say that, I said going onto other teams' boards with the sole intention of doing that is sad. Good-natured banter is fine by me. Well if it's sad to take an interest in football philosophy, fan culture, and my own club, and to defend my beliefs on those three matters, then I'd be proud to be the biggest sad-act in town. I've already outlined why Leeds are a big club on this thread. If you don't agree with that, argue with my fact-based points rather than just making empty assertions. Thanks.
Fair enough Il Duce, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on certain things, Hull's support for example, but I can't argue with your closing few paragraphs there. Just so you know, I haven't heard a thing about this Bothroyd incident, I was talking about our game at Elland Road, when he was throwing his elbows all over the place all game, then went crying to the Yorkshire Post when Ashbee showed him how it's done. Incidently, I'm not denying that Becchio scores goals or creates them, he's obviously done that, I was saying his style of play is achieving those feats more through foul play than flair. RE Snodgrass, I was just saying he's probably what you'd call the 'playmaker' in the Leeds side, and yet even he is far too fond of throwing his weight around.
OK, I apologise for this thread and winding people up. Shan't do it again. All the best to Leeds fans, you are a big club probably in the top ten in country and have played some attractive football at times this season. Heres to another Leeds - Norwich promotion this season. Many twists and turns still to come.
Norwich and Leeds have done really well this season, I never expected them to be still up in the play-offs at this stage. Tricky run ins to come though. How do you think Brighton will do next season? You've had recent experience with the Seagulls.......
