It's not a word I've used, to be honest. We didn't get them on the mean streets of South Cave. They wouldn't have lasted five minutes in one of Rod Arnold's quizzes.
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It's not a word I've used, to be honest. We didn't get them on the mean streets of South Cave. They wouldn't have lasted five minutes in one of Rod Arnold's quizzes.
Beat me to it. I remembered the York game but couldn't remember who we played on the second match. Decent performance today - some nice football but finishing just a bit careless at times.
They were badly chosen words in the context, but there's a truth to them no matter how inappropriate given the circumstances.
I'm not going to pick him up over everything he says but what he delivers on the park.....
....and in that respect he's still a ****.
Get them to stop stealing hard working folks ****ing caravans then.
I've lost count of how many people I've dealt with or had reported to me that have spent their retirement pot on a brand new, twin axel brand new caravan (especially Hobby), with which to live their retirement dream, only to have all their tracking systems smashed out and security devices sawn off and their units towed off from secure compounds within weeks of their purchase.
I'll accept not all Traveller folk are like this.
I'll accept it's the minority.
I'll accept that insurance covers most of your loss.
But don't try to tell me that there aren't ****ers doing it.
Cos there are.
tigermaul
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Along with the elite and the establishment. Are they the same people? Not sure they are.
Got to tell ya mate, I had no idea where the term came from and I suspect 95% of the UK's population don't either.
As for those other words you use, well I don't use them.
I was talking about what everyday people call a chav.
Call me uneducated.
K
Kalman
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Yeah, I get that. I think my point is that anti-Roma sentiment is so ingrained in the British Isles that a word like 'chavi', a neutral or positive term in their own language, was used by non-Roma against them as a slur and then extended to have negative connotations regardless of ethnic origin. The root of calling someone a chav is 'you're so untrustworthy/criminal and uncouth, you're the same as a gypsy', which obviously has negative implications against Roma people themselves.
People saying it without realising its connotations is kinda my point, is what I'm getting at. It's not even a uniquely British or Irish thing, the way Roma are discriminated against in Romania and Hungary is far worse, for example.
Bit patronising, n'est-ce pas?
Plenty of people understand the linguistic derivations of words.
You can't dismiss people's opinions by saying that they don't understand the origin or context.
What are you trying to achieve?
K
Kalman
Guest
I was replying to Kempton, who admitted he didn't know where it originated from and said 95% of Brits probably wouldn't either. I didn't dismiss anyone's opinion. Point to where I did.
I'm saying that 'chav' is a slur, and because some Roma people commit crimes, it isn't an excuse to use slurs. Your own attitude of 'well, tell them to stop breaking into caravans and maybe they won't be discriminated against' is the same argument racists use against black people.
For ****s sake do we really have to have this ****e on this forum!
It’s almost ****ing vegan!
Wow, this escalated!
What I said was;
I'll accept not all Traveller folk are like this.
I'll accept it's the minority.
And it's not breaking into caravans, it's stealing them.
30 grand they cost.
And the evidence is conclusive as to who is committing these crimes.
Not actually sure what your point is.
Ignoring facts though is rarely a good idea.
So if P*key, G*po etc are rather frowned upon in certain circles is it acceptable to just call them ****s instead, it is certainly apt in most cases.
K
Kalman
Guest
Wow, this escalated!
What I said was;
I'll accept not all Traveller folk are like this.
I'll accept it's the minority.
And it's not breaking into caravans, it's stealing them.
30 grand they cost.
And the evidence is conclusive as to who is committing these crimes.
Not actually sure what your point is.
Ignoring facts though is rarely a good idea.
Not sure what your point is. Why bring it up if it's just a minority?
Good today though...
Kid had to be given the chance. Good call from GM, he did....
Should we only recognise crime if it's committed by the majority?
Excellent result, glad Jordy was dropped.
The slang word chav in Britain has no link to gypsies, I don’t believe anyone using it here ever made that association and it seems to have completely fallen out of use anyway.
I hate caravans, all caravans.
The slang word chav in Britain has no link to gypsies, I don’t believe anyone using it here ever made that association and it seems to have completely fallen out of use anyway.
I hate caravans, all caravans.