Premier League Reform

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Sunderpitt said:
Well Man Chitty drove a horse and cart through the FPP rules, with their cheating and slick lawyers. So that route is unlikely to produce a level playing field between teams. Dumping those that have an unfair financial advantage is one way to produce fair competition... but as you imply very unlikely to happen.

It would be interesting would it not if 15 of the Premiership clubs were to say as an alternative to the big picture to kick the big six out. Them a number of clubs would be promoted form the lower leagues, nice incentive?
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I think the problem with it is that there would always be the argument that you hadn't really won the Premier League if you hadn't won it against Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool etc.
 
The Norton Cat said:
Its the same with selection for the England rugby team. You have to be playing in the Premiership.
Yeah, that could work. The financial rewards for playing football for England aren't great though, so you could end up with a situation whereby players choose their club over ambition. Potentially ruining international football too.
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I get your point but remember we're dealing with ego's here as well. Imagine being one of the best players in the world who's won every competition in the world except for an international tournament.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
I think the problem with it is that there would always be the argument that you hadn't really won the Premier League if you hadn't won it against Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool etc.
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If they do break away for the want of a better expression then in five or so years time clubs winning the newly formed league wouldn't give a stuff that they aren't in it and neither would their fans, in fact over time fans would say Liverpool who etc.
Their little league with their European friends would become meaningless and Sky Tv etc would soon restructure their programming to pander to the majority of their viewers.
As I've said before this needs stopping and Parry given the big heaveho.
 
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cumbrianmackem said:
If they do break away for the want of a better expression then in five or so years time clubs winning the newly formed league wouldn't give a stuff that they aren't in it and neither would their fans, in fact over time fans would say Liverpool who etc.
Their little league with their European friends would become meaningless and Sky Tv etc would soon restructure their programming to pander to the majority of their viewers.
As I've said before this needs stopping and Parry given the big heaveho.
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See, I think the opposite would happen. The 'new' elite level would hoover up all of the TV money, sponsorship etc. (and it would be marketed better) like the Premier League does now. What would be left would become poorer in quality due to the lack of money and therefore of less interest to the general public.
 
The Norton Cat said:
See, I think the opposite would happen. The 'new' elite level would hoover up all of the TV money, sponsorship etc. (and it would be marketed better) like the Premier League does now. What would be left would become poorer in quality due to the lack of money and therefore of less interest to the general public.
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Except in England where all club rivalries end when it comes to an international match.

Whatever code you follow we all enjoy internationals, whether that be Rugby, Cricket or Football. How many "real" english fans are genuinely enjoy watching Liverpool (consisting of 11 foreigners) playing Juventus (consisting of 11 foreignors) when neither side has an affinity to the area?

One of the things that makes football great in comparison to other sports is the tribalism for want of a better word. It's the chants that the home supporters belt out when 4 goals down. A breakaway superleague would lose all that in a heartbeat. You'd have sterile overseas fans clapping half heartedly and the atmosphere would vanish
 
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Ozzymac said:
Except in England where all club rivalries end when it comes to an international match.

Whatever code you follow we all enjoy internationals, whether that be Rugby, Cricket or Football. How many "real" english fans are genuinely enjoy watching Liverpool (consisting of 11 foreigners) playing Juventus (consisting of 11 foreignors) when neither side has an affinity to the area?

One of the things that makes football great in comparison to other sports is the tribalism for want of a better word. It's the chants that the home supporters belt out when 4 goals down. A breakaway superleague would lose all that in a heartbeat. You'd have sterile overseas fans clapping half heartedly and the atmosphere would vanish
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I agree with you totally about the tribalism etc. That is what makes football great. You will always get people who want to support their local club and will do so vociferously. On Saturday, I watched two lads bang a drum and sing their hearts out for 90 minutes in support of Great Wakering Rovers. But the armchair supporter, the Sky Sports subscriber, wants to see the best and he's the audience that matters. Any such super league will be so well marketed and so sponsor-heavy, that no one else will stand a chance.
 
The Norton Cat said:
See, I think the opposite would happen. The 'new' elite level would hoover up all of the TV money, sponsorship etc. (and it would be marketed better) like the Premier League does now. What would be left would become poorer in quality due to the lack of money and therefore of less interest to the general public.
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Whilst you have a point Norton I honestly believe that those six clubs and their minority of fans would become just that the minority looking back into what they have left in football.
They can't take all the top class players and the upcoming stars of the future as their squad numbers are limited.
TV companies would have to reprogramme their coverage to cover all the leagues and not pay lip service to the lower leagues as us the case at present, and that extra coverage would increase TV revenue to the lower leagues and then not having to rely on the 25% offered at the moment.
I don't have all the answers but this could be worked out to the benefit of all and not just the chosen few.
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Just realised the 250 million to the EFL split between 74 clubs adds up to very little in the big scheme of things.
 
Nacho said:
The idea of an all powerful big six stinks too. There was a big two in Scotland and look at what happened to Rangers, yes they're back there now but it's not a guarantee by any means.
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The mob called it "The Commission". If a Megga rich wanted to buy, Sunderland, Newcastle,Burnley,Portsmouth or Luton, they have to go to the Coliseum, cap in hand then await a thumbs up or down from the likes of Liverpool,Man U etc. Rancid.
 
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Charlie Methven definitely doesn't sound like he's going anywhere.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rhaul-risks-power-grab-by-rich-minister-warns

Owners of English soccer’s lower-tier professional clubs are responding warmly to a plan that would deliver them a bigger share of major teams’ revenue, even as the U.K. government and the sport’s top league raise concerns about the proposal.

Under the “Project Big Picture” plan, 25% of the wealthy English Premier League’s 3 billion pounds ($3.9 billion) a year in broadcast revenue would be redistributed to the 72 smaller English Football League teams that form the base of England’s so-called soccer pyramid. Those clubs, reeling from the suspension of stadium attendance during the Covid-19 pandemic, see that as a lifeline.

The proposal is backed in part by two of the Premier League’s biggest names, Liverpool owner John Henry and Manchester United owner Joel Glazer. “It looks like two American billionaires have come up with an answer to the inequalities in our game that is very important,” said Charles Grant, director of third-tier team Crewe Alexandra.

“This is the first serious attempt that we have seen to answer the major strategic issues facing the football pyramid,” Charlie Methven, the co-owner of third-tier team Sunderland, said via email.

The plan also includes a 250 million-pound rescue fund to bolster clubs as their lack of ticket revenue drags on. But it would also reduce the number of teams in the Premier League to 18 from 20, and concentrate decision-making power in nine clubs -- including Henry’s and Glazer’s.

“I’m quite skeptical about this,” Oliver Dowden, a U.K. secretary of state whose remit includes sports, said on Monday. “I’m afraid if we keep having these backroom deals and all these other things going on, we will have to look again at the underlying governance of football.”

Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s spokesman, James Slack, said on a conference call with reporters that the proposal “clearly” lacks support throughout the Premier League.

The Premier League itself blasted the proposal in a statement Sunday, saying some of the suggested changes “could have a damaging impact on the whole game.”

EFL Chairman Rick Parry will try to explain the plans to his 72 teams during the week. Ultimately, any changes will need the support of 14 teams out of the Premier League’s 20.

Sunderland’s Methven urged Dowden and the Premier League to offer their own rescue plan. “Because as the rest of us sit here trying to save clubs with big cost bases and almost no revenues,” he said, “they have spent three months doing precisely nothing to help except hold endless cozy meetings the only purpose of which seems to be to kick the can down the road, through the long grass and into a ditch, preferably never to be seen again.”
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Nice to see fans of the 'big six' send out statement against the proposals. Most fans appreciate the smaller clubs and how football works in the uk.

On a slightly separate note, glad to see Macclesfield FC starting up again under new owner and Robbie Savage. <yikes>
 
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Ian Holloway had a rant on Sky last night after his game saying that the "big clubs" shouldn't be running football and telling him what he can and can't do. I videoed it but can't upload to here - really went after them, mentioning how it was the big clubs who wanted category 1 academies and then proceeded to hoover up all the kids from other clubs to fill them
 
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Essayyeffcee said:
Ian Holloway had a rant on Sky last night after his game saying that the "big clubs" shouldn't be running football and telling him what he can and can't do. I videoed it but can't upload to here - really went after them, mentioning how it was the big clubs who wanted category 1 academies and then proceeded to hoover up all the kids from other clubs to fill them
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Holloway is spot on
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p...SolDspuUWcOp3XtYKJOwi4GrGVwnWjP67EyX_93pCQCkg
 
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