Coronavirus

[duggie2000]

I thought covid was the new death penalty, just send them to hospital ward, problem sorted

Problem with that is it skews the COVID 19 statistics

 

[aberdude]

Don't be confused Saffy, it's quite an easy one to explain, it's what I used to refer to as mob mentality, but in the 21st century has been upgraded to the following situation grabbed from google;

Herd mentality (also known as mob mentality) describes a behavior in which people act the same way or adopt similar behaviors as the people around them — often ignoring their own feelings in the process. Think of a sheep blindly following the flock no matter where they go just because that's what the herd is doing.

For further clarification on this matter, I normally find @aberdude has extensive knowledge on the decease.

I've not read back what or who you are talking about but the herd mentality take is correct....... An example was when I spoke to Labour supporters who didn't like Corbyn but when questioned why they didn't really know and just regurgitated the mainstream medias negatives.

2me he was a man who gave a fk but the tactics worked and now they got thy man in place to take the labour party further from its origins and stuck up Israeli arses so far you will need a plunger to get us out.

 

[Solid Air]

Problem with that is it skews the COVID 19 statistics

not really as the only stat that matters is the excess deaths figure at the end of this which is the way we calculate the "cost" of all epidemics .

 

[brb]

I was just watching some tests of bats, in Thailand for the coronavirus, I never realised what nasty little gnashers they have!

 

[aberdude]

You've answered your own question ... he was admitted because he was not eating or drinking due to Alzheimer's... that can be medically managed and would not therefore have killed him in isolation .... Covid-19 kills by attacking the respiratory system, notably the lungs ... presumably he died from respiratory failure?

Questions should be asked as to why an old and vulnerable man was admitted and exposed to it. Little wonder we have the highest death rate from the virus in Europe.

No he didn't answer is own question his reason for asking was he thinks he didn't die from covid but, he may have picked up the virus but it was his original illness which took him.

Same happened with a guys father in work with me and he was not happy covid was claimed as cause of death but the body would not have been released for burial for up to ten weeks if he wanted postmortem.

I was mocked for my claim.....yet I'm hearing more stories of families with the same situation....... Even if you died from a bike crash and you had covid when tested by poor accuracy testing equipment you didn't die from decapitation it was the virus on death certificate.

 

[Solid Air]

No he didn't answer is own question his reason for asking was he thinks he didn't die from covid but, he may have picked up the virus but it was his original illness which took him.

Same happened with a guys father in work with me and he was not happy covid was claimed as cause of death but the body would not have been released for burial for up to ten weeks if he wanted postmortem.

I was mocked for my claim.....yet I'm hearing more stories of families with the same situation....... Even if you died from a bike crash and you had covid when tested by poor accuracy testing equipment you didn't die from decapitation it was the virus on death certificate.

complete & absolute bollocks if for no other reason than they wouldn't waste a test as even the most incompetent medic can have a fair guess of what caused the death of a headless man .
As has been explained before death certs these days can contain cause of death plus underlying condition so may read
Cause of Death - Covid 19
Underlying condition - Alzheimers

otherwise quarter of all death certs would just show pneumonia as sole cause of death as per early years of AIDS .

 

[FosseFilberto]

No he didn't answer is own question his reason for asking was he thinks he didn't die from covid but, he may have picked up the virus but it was his original illness which took him.

Same happened with a guys father in work with me and he was not happy covid was claimed as cause of death but the body would not have been released for burial for up to ten weeks if he wanted postmortem.

I was mocked for my claim.....yet I'm hearing more stories of families with the same situation....... Even if you died from a bike crash and you had covid when tested by poor accuracy testing equipment you didn't die from decapitation it was the virus on death certificate.

The 'original illness' here was not eating or drinking due to Alzheimer's . that wouldn't have killed him in hospital ... what clearly did was the virus ... hence given as the cause of death.

 

[Tobes]

Meanwhile in ‘Merica, these ****ing lunatics.

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[Treble]

Tbh mate that is a near impossible question for me to answer.
My knowledge is quite limited but here are a few of my thoughts...

1. ASD displays differently in people.
If a person is supported they can learn to cope with some of the difficulties and use the strengths ASD gives them to excel.

2. High functioning ASD people (this does not mean geniuses!) can be aware they think differently or experience thd world differently but can be supported to cope and to learn skills needed to develop and maintain relationships.

The individual in this case seems to have been high functioning and was aware he was not receiving the support he needed.
Like I said, I ain't an expert, but to me it sounds like he also had some form of mental health issue as well as being ASD and it may have been this that led him to rationalise this act.

People who are ASD can also be ****ers just like those who are not can be but the fact that during his trial (he was in a room with a video link) he turned his back and curled into a ball when the childs family had an impact statement read out suggests that he is not a "evil" person...simply a person with an ASD diagnosis and a mental health problem.
Those with ASD are 4 times more likely to suffer from depression than those without.
Some studies suggest that 70% of all those with ASD also suffer from some form of mental health problem such as depression, anxiety, OCD, eating disorder etc. and are more likely to have ADHD (attention deficit snd hyperactivity disorder) or ADD ,(attention deficit disorder).
Without proper care and support it can be a difficult life.
With proper care and support it csn be just as rewarding a life as anyone else.

Sorry its such a long rambling attempt to answer.

Not at all mate. That was well informed and appreciate the insight

 

[Bald Archie]

Meanwhile in ‘Merica, these ****ing lunatics.

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[brb]

Seems plenty of warnings about the Sudanese guy in Glasgow and his mental health, but as per, it appears nothing was acted upon. This was despite a liason officer telling his lawyer, he is a danger!

You can't coup someone up like that in a pigeon hole and not expect a reaction. He had been isolated for the previous three weeks, due to contracting coronavirus. My guess is he never received any proper support during that period, but only time will tell. If you cage an animal, and it gets out, it's going to bite you.

At least we will not have to worry about the lethal injection with this one.

 

[pieguts]

Just been reading about a “pool testing” idea they are proposing in the US. To summarise, they collect a small amount of blood from x number (maybe residents from a nursing home) mix it together and test that. If it’s all clear great, if not then they individually test. They claim they could test up to 5 million a day in this way.
Gimmick or does this have some legs?

 

[FosseFilberto]

Just been reading about a “pool testing” idea they are proposing in the US. To summarise, they collect a small amount of blood from x number (maybe residents from a nursing home) mix it together and test that. If it’s all clear great, if not then they individually test. They claim they could test up to 5 million a day in this way.
Gimmick or does this have some legs?

In theory it might work I suppose, provided the dilution doesn't render detection more difficult. The problem is that if you do get a positive sample then you have to test ALL the same people over again rather than just the once - so in terms of time saving that might be self defeating.

The other stumbling block is that Trump is not going to welcome any mechanism that shows the true infection levels of the virus before the election - it would"make us look bad" as he puts it - and the reality is that the real level is likely to be way higher than the current official level.

 

[pieguts]

In theory it might work I suppose, provided the dilution doesn't render detection more difficult. The problem is that if you do get a positive sample then you have to test ALL the same people over again rather than just the once - so in terms of time saving that might be self defeating.

The other stumbling block is that Trump is not going to welcome any mechanism that shows the true infection levels of the virus before the election - it would"make us look bad" as he puts it - and the reality is that the real level is likely to be way higher than the current official level.

I agree with the first part and think that the ship has already sailed on the second part.

Reading an interesting article at the moment that’s saying that Trump is now desperately clinging to the daily death rates seemIng to have flattened around 600 a day, compared to the 2000+ back in April.
A leading expert is however saying that the current rises are highest in young people, who typically manage the virus better. He goes on too say that it’s inevitable that the young will start to infect the older, more vulnerable population and death rates will raise significantly.

 

[Tobes]

Just been reading about a “pool testing” idea they are proposing in the US. To summarise, they collect a small amount of blood from x number (maybe residents from a nursing home) mix it together and test that. If it’s all clear great, if not then they individually test. They claim they could test up to 5 million a day in this way.
Gimmick or does this have some legs?

Is that even a thing?

Sounds absolutely barmy to me that.

 

[pieguts]

Is that even a thing?

Sounds absolutely barmy to me that.

The source is credible...it was one of the mainstream news outlets, can’t remember which?
I guess desperate times, call for desperate measures and all that!

 

[aberdude]

The source is credible...it was one of the mainstream news outlets, can’t remember which?
I guess desperate times, call for desperate measures and all that!

Must be correct if it's in the mainstream..... The propaganda machine

 

[pieguts]

Must be correct if it's in the mainstream..... The propaganda machine

Says the radical free thinker who gets all of his information from Icke!

 

[The Ginger Marks]

Must be correct if it's in the mainstream..... The propaganda machine

Well, there would always be the establishment behind it in your mind.

 

[aberdude]

Says the radical free thinker who gets all of his information from Icke!

He does give me lots to look at..... His best message is don't trust mainstream media