Up Till Now....

[Angelicnumber16]

And while I'm on....
I can't stand the phrase 'take/taking the knee''. It really grates as does seeing Starmer and his lot taking photo opportunities every time they can.
I can't explain my feelings logically but if they have to would much prefer calling it kneel/kneeling down.

Pathetic, demeaning, and perfectly suitable for Starmer and co
I would tell anyone who asked me to do that where to go.
I see Burnley want to impose a lifetime ban on the people who flew the WLM banner over the Etihad.
Assuming it was actually Burnley fans or season ticket holders, it will be interesting to see if they are identified and then it the ban stands up in court if it's legally challenged as I would employ a lawyer if it was me.
Personally I think Burnley have been way too quick to criticise this tiny thing and they won't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Red Alert]

Pathetic, demeaning, and perfectly suitable for Starmer and co
I would tell anyone who asked me to do that where to go.
I see Burnley want to impose a lifetime ban on the people who flew the WLM banner over the Etihad.
Assuming it was actually Burnley fans or season ticket holders, it will be interesting to see if they are identified and then it the ban stands up in court if it's legally challenged as I would employ a lawyer if it was me.
Personally I think Burnley have been way too quick to criticise this tiny thing and they won't have a leg to stand on.

don't have to commit an offence for clubs to ban people and the police can chuck it to the civil court where no offence is needed to put all kinds of restrictions on people because they might commit an offence or their prescience could!!

 

[Angelicnumber16]

don't have to commit an offence for clubs to ban people and the police can chuck it to the civil court where no offence is needed to put all kinds of restrictions on people because they might commit an offence or their prescience could!!

It just makes Burnley look like overbearing bullies in my humble opinion. And I would still legally challenge it if it were me.

 

[BCFCRob]

Don't think you can can you? It's a private property, they have every right to ban whoever they like.

That being said I totally disagree with it if they do ban them.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Don't think you can can you? It's a private property, they have every right to ban whoever they like.

That being said I totally disagree with it if they do ban them.

That's fine providing they then ban all Burnley fans who wear BLM shirts or attend parades, demonstrations etc, because it's exactly the same thing and equality goes both ways.

 

[BCFCRob]

That's fine providing they then ban all Burnley fans who wear BLM shirts or attend parades, demonstrations etc, because it's exactly the same thing and equality goes both ways.

In your opinion. In my opinion, it's very different, and not hard to see why.

If someone is raising money for food for Ethiopians, or for the famine in Yemen, would you go over and complain, and start shouting 'but what about us?!'? You'd sound ridiculous. Same point goes here.

This has been done to death, just wanted to talk more about the news surrounding it to be honest. As it goes I've already said I completely agree with you on the banning. They really shouldn't be banning anyone for something like that.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

In your opinion. In my opinion, it's very different, and not hard to see why.

If someone is raising money for food for Ethiopians, or for the famine in Yemen, would you go over and complain, and start shouting 'but what about us?!'? You'd sound ridiculous. Same point goes here.

This has been done to death, just wanted to talk more about the news surrounding it to be honest. As it goes I've already said I completely agree with you on the banning. They really shouldn't be banning anyone for something like that.

It's more of the way people have gone about it on all sides tbh.
As I've put on another thread, I think Burnley FC have made themselves look like idiots for what they've come out and said, and what they intend to do about it. Their PR person needs some education I think

 

[BCFCRob]

It's more of the way people have gone about it on all sides tbh.
As I've put on another thread, I think Burnley FC have made themselves look like idiots for what they've come out and said, and what they intend to do about it. Their PR person needs some education I think

There's probably a mix of that, and also wanting to jump on the bandwagon of companies seen to be doing the 'right' thing, and also being scared of doing the 'wrong' thing!

Swap right and wrong there depending on your views of course.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

In your opinion. In my opinion, it's very different, and not hard to see why.

If someone is raising money for food for Ethiopians, or for the famine in Yemen, would you go over and complain, and start shouting 'but what about us?!'? You'd sound ridiculous. Same point goes here.

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Not quite the same is it? That's lack of HUMAN RIGHTS ...I don't see Ethiopians or people from Yemen going around our Cities vandalising our statues, terrorising and injuring our police and putting everyone's lives at risk during a pandemic.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

So did I but I assumed it would be pretty obvious why there is a distinction!

Mercedes did things that they are not proud of, and they do not celebrate it. Having a statue of a slave trader is celebrating that man. That's the difference. Actually I'd go as far as to say they are absolutely nothing alike.

No, they celebrate it by making billions in profits!! I'm sure there's plenty of BLM people that own one too....but that's OK!!

 

[Loathsneyd]

Burnley have done exactly the right thing. Its an offensive banner designed to stir up racial prejudices and anyone who thinks any different should wake up. You only need to the see the reaction of Robbie Earl to this banner to see the distress this has caused

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Burnley have done exactly the right thing. Its an offensive banner designed to stir up racial prejudices and anyone who thinks any different should wake up. You only need to the see the reaction of Robbie Earl to this banner to see the distress this has caused

Who is it offending ? It's a simple, polite, and 100% correct statement.

But you're obviously looking at this from the BLM angle only which itself has caused this minor and inoffensive retaliation by stirring up racial prejudices the other way, Presumably you think that's ok and is quite acceptable ?

Sorry, but you can't have it as just one way traffic. It's all or nothing and I would seriously suggest that the likes of Lewis Hamilton, Raheem Sterling and anyone else who is calling foul, to take a good hard look at themselves and realise where and how their tens of millions of pounds that they earn in sponsorships is created.

So I look forward to them denouncing them all even if it means they are out of work from now on.

 

[Loathsneyd]

Who is it offending ? It's a simple, polite, and 100% correct statement.

But you're obviously looking at this from the BLM angle only which itself has caused this minor and inoffensive retaliation by stirring up racial prejudices the other way, Presumably you think that's ok and is quite acceptable ?

Sorry, but you can't have it as just one way traffic. It's all or nothing and I would seriously suggest that the likes of Lewis Hamilton, Raheem Sterling and anyone else who is calling foul, to take a good hard look at themselves and realise where and how their tens of millions of pounds that they earn in sponsorships is created.

So I look forward to them denouncing them all even if it means they are out of work from now on.

Have you seen the Robbie Earle interview to see who it is offending? Why not? Its been all one way up to now? Because the direction of traffic has turned people are beginning to show their true colours. And its not black

 

[Cliftonville]

Burnley have done exactly the right thing. Its an offensive banner designed to stir up racial prejudices and anyone who thinks any different should wake up. You only need to the see the reaction of Robbie Earl to this banner to see the distress this has caused

Stirring up racial prejudice is illegal. No criminal proceedings are going to take place v the individual responsible.

Offence is everywhere. Its not illegal. Offence is part of life. If offence is to be policed who are to be its arbiters? The left? The right? Football clubs?

Distress .. I work in one service where people died of Covid-19 and people were treated in ICU. BLM protests by breaking Covid-19 control guidelines caused offence and distress to service users and staff and relatives of those being cared for.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Have you seen the Robbie Earle interview to see who it is offending? Why not? Its been all one way up to now? Because the direction of traffic has turned people are beginning to show their true colours. And its not black

You're missing the point

It's offending everyone, and it's about time they put a stop to it.

 

[BCFCRob]

Not quite the same is it? That's lack of HUMAN RIGHTS ...I don't see Ethiopians or people from Yemen going around our Cities vandalising our statues, terrorising and injuring our police and putting everyone's lives at risk during a pandemic.

Welcome to Black Lives Matter.

In attempting to prove me wrong you've actually just accidentally proven the point of the entire movement.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Welcome to Black Lives Matter.

In attempting to prove me wrong you've actually just accidentally proven the point of the entire movement.

Oh right well, if that's the case, I'm allowed to go around destroying what I like and harming the odd policeman when I see one....Oh and spread a bit of Covid 19 while I'm at it ...
Not sure that was my point......... ALM

 

[johngalleyfan2]

Marcus Rashford on the other hand has been fantastic representative for the Premiership

I have been wondering who might take on the mantle of the Charltons ...Beckhams ..Rooneys of the sport and I think we have him!!!!

Because Mercedes' slave labour was 80 years ago. It's a time from which they do not identify, do not celebrate and have tried to move on from. Nothing about Mercedes today reflects Mercedes during that time. Just in the same way Germany has moved on to a (more than) respectable country.[/QUOTE]

Because Mercedes' slave labour was 80 years ago. .. which makes it worse because most of EUROPE and many other countries [ USA] worldwide had already condemned slavery years before

It's a time from which they do not identify, do not celebrate and have tried to move on from. WE DO NOT IDENTIFY WITH IT OR CELEBRATE IT and have moved on from it and a reminder of US moving on from it is the fabric they wish to make disappear … if you see a reminder say a statue you have 3 feelings .....who is that???? ................ OR ….thank god those days are over i hope I never become involved with that " ****** again" OR or a sense of guilt and wish it wasn't there … nothing wrong with that feeling a lot of people experience it …. but not an excuse for vandalism ….

Mercedes did things that they are not proud of, and they do not celebrate it. Having a statue of a slave trader is celebrating that man

…. so Mercedes has gotten rid of all their heir looms.. pictures and busts of the founders early models of their cars etc etc etc …. REALLY!!! do not ever visit their factory! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE enlighten us when the celebratory factor of a slave trader took place … In his 55 years or so of being a merchant and entrepreneur he had less than 12 years as "a slave trader" and was only involved if you read the books as a member of the Royal Africa Company [ probably 10 years ] His s"fleet" traded not just slaves but many many other things that helped the world become a smaller place and expand their economies …

the world is renowned for TAKING ON BOARD THE NEGATIVES OF LIFE just read the media ………….

 

[BCFCRob]

Oh right well, if that's the case, I'm allowed to go around destroying what I like and harming the odd policeman when I see one....Oh and spread a bit of Covid 19 while I'm at it ...
Not sure that was my point......... ALM

Nope. No you're not allowed to do that. And 99% of people will not condone that.

Mate, what you have done in the past few pages is take the worst that has happened at all these protests, then in your head you have extrapolated that viewpoint to everyone, as if every person who supports BLM has that same view. They don't. The idea that supporting BLM then automatically means supporting assaulting policemen and destroying everything exists only in your imagination.

So when you then say that supporting BLM then means supporting smashing it up everything, it's complete rubbish really isn't it? Because very few people actually support that.

Please stop doing it because it is not only complete fantasy, but it makes your arguments redundant. And it's usually good debating with you!

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

I see Cummings is about to rearrange the entire civil service.
Whilst this may be necessary to a point (I don’t know - I’m not close to it), I’m extremely concerned that elected politicians are being increasingly excluded from big government decision making and that unelected bully is running the country.
Someone needs to put a leash on him pdq - he’s a very dangerous man.