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Like any other Club we have a hard core of support who follow whatever.It's entirely down to the individual but I think you'd still find 3-4k still willing to go.The Club has been through some hard times in the past and in my 51 years of supporting It's never stopped me and if truth be told it won't now.I don't disagree with your sentiments 're the Allams but bums on seats won't starve them out and the effect on the players in terms of morale would be catastrophic.

Gate revenue is far more important further down the football pyramid.

I’m sure it would hurt them.
 
Like the positive Rick. But stay up. Granted its possible, but highly unlikely. Confidence is low and morale appears to be lower than a snakes bellend. We simply won't get enough points. End of.
 
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Grieve walked when Assem whapped £6m on the price after the deal had been agreed, not because he didn't have the funds (other deals have fallen through due to people not coming up with the readies, including another US buyer).
Grieve never had real money, he had an option on a penny share account for $100m worth of shares with Mayflower in New York (at the time £84m). His business had around $3400 in its accounts six months before he tried to buy the club. All of his money would have come from shares underwritten by Mayflower, he would have bought the club with nothing left for running it or investment.
 
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I had heard most of these stories but never knew whether they were totally true or not. The club in issuing this information and then a letter which doesn't deny what was said is really beyond belief.

This has basically now told the world what they are like, which most of us knew already, and frankly, they should be ashamed of themselves. But of cause, they won't as they live in their own bubble, which is not on this planet.

This could have a series affect on the club, as it's reputation under their watch is in the gutter.
 
Grieve never had real money, he had an option on a penny share account for $100m worth of shares with Mayflower in New York (at the time £84m). His business had around $3400 in its accounts six months before he tried to buy the club. All of his money would have come from shares underwritten by Mayflower, he would have bought the club with nothing left for running it or investment.

He's an investment banker, it was never about his own personal wealth.
 
Gate revenue is far more important further down the football pyramid.

I’m sure it would hurt them.
I totally agree that gate money is a bigger issue in the lower leagues,that said and as already touched on earlier,it's damn nigh impossible to balance the books in League 1.So If he loses money,he'll borrow off himself again and charge interest.

The best and only way I see forward here,is for us to survive somehow and for a buyer to come forward and take a punt.Of course that's wholly dependant on Allam being realistic about the price.The next 8 games could be crucial for the Clubs future.!!
 
Hopefully we stay up,they realise they've dodged a bullet and sell...They held out through greed and it's came back with a vengeance and bit them on the arse.He can display his anger and hatred to the fans as much as he likes but he'll never convince himself that he hasn't ****ed up big time!!

If we stay up, they will stay too.

We have to go down, for the long term good of the club.
 
If we stay up, they will stay too.

We have to go down, for the long term good of the club.
Sorry,can't agree but each to their own.It's my opinion that going down could destroy us as a Football Club.

Do you think he would sell if we drop and do you think we'd find a buyer?I'm no different from anyone else on here,my feelings for the Allams are identical but I just think survival would be the best option for a sale.
 
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Sorry,can't agree but each to their own.It's my opinion that going down could destroy us as a Football Club.

Do you think he would sell if we drop and do you think we'd find a buyer?I'm no different from anyone else on here, my feelings for the Allams are identical but I just think survival would be the best option for a sale.

Destroying the football club might be the only way to get rid of them.

At this moment, it is a price worth paying imo.
 
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The response from the club (well, from the Allams) states "This period in the Club's history has seen the Club and it's team rise to heights never before achieved".

Just to remind that such statements from the Allams are incorrect. The club reached joint top of the PL under Brown(io) and Duffen, that's the highest height we've ever been. And to my mind, the greatest achievement was also achieved under Brown(io) and Duffen, in May 2008.
And then there's the small fact that we are now (alledgedly) £50 million in debt, and on the verge of relegation to L1.
So **** off Allams.

Nonsense Steve Bruce reached the highest heights and he had his hands tied behind his back with no investment and poor antagonising ownership.
 
He's an investment banker, it was never about his own personal wealth.
He wasn't a high ranking investment banker, even when he worked at Goldman Sachs, he was one of 400 vice presidents and did not get a big pay off when he left. He had his own business and that was in hydroponics for cannabis farms in Nevada, he raised the initial option with Mayflower on this business, but there were delays in bringing in the laws and his business was floundering, its only assets being some of the equipment he had already purchased, but he had no one to sell it to. He was sitting on a share option, with no business to sell shares in and Hull City crossed his path, all of a sudden, this man no one had ever heard of had something to take a punt at. He had dabbled with football, built a web site for investment in Soccer (at the time there were two prospective investments doing the rounds in the USA,cannabis and soccer).
The bloke had no real money, no real experience and we would have been in the ****e. Yet everyone was blinkered by the desire to get rid of the Allams even if it meant that we would have less money as the deal with Mayflower meant that they got guaranteed dividends, I think I worked out at the time as something like $10m per year plus. The £84m would have gone straight into the Allams pockets and the club would have no money.
 
There is no way to be rid of the Allams.

They are a terminal illness unfortunately.

Maybe riots at their homes once we are relegated might spur them on to **** the **** off.
 
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Sorry,can't agree but each to their own.It's my opinion that going down could destroy us as a Football Club.

Do you think he would sell if we drop and do you think we'd find a buyer?I'm no different from anyone else on here,my feelings for the Allams are identical but I just think survival would be the best option for a sale.

It didn't seem to hurt Sheffield United or Portsmouth. Each of them secured lucrative investment whilst in League One.

Going down would force the price down and provide the new owners with an effective clean slate. In terms of footballing matters, it isn't ideal, but long term a fresh start is exactly what's needed.
 
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It didn't seem to hurt Wolves did it? Or Sheffield United. Or Portsmouth. Each of them secured lucrative investment whilst in League One.

Going down would force the price down and provide the new owners with an effective clean slate. In terms of footballing matters, it isn't ideal, but long term a fresh start is exactly what's needed.
In an ideal world that would be the perfect remedy Steven but we're dealing with the Allams here.Would they sell at a knock down price which failed to clear the debt? The balls in his court,that's my worry.A clean slate and a fresh start would be music to all our ears but with that young egotistical,twisted twat at the helm,I think it's too much to hope for.
 
It didn't seem to hurt Wolves did it? Or Sheffield United. Or Portsmouth. Each of them secured lucrative investment whilst in League One.

Going down would force the price down and provide the new owners with an effective clean slate. In terms of footballing matters, it isn't ideal, but long term a fresh start is exactly what's needed.

Wolves were actually in the Championship when they were bought.
 
It didn't seem to hurt Wolves did it? Or Sheffield United. Or Portsmouth. Each of them secured lucrative investment whilst in League One.

Going down would force the price down and provide the new owners with an effective clean slate. In terms of footballing matters, it isn't ideal, but long term a fresh start is exactly what's needed.
Too logical.
The price has nothing to do with how much we are worth, what division we are in.
It's based on how much they allege the club owes them.
I don't see a way out. They'll just keep cutting the cloth according to what division we are in. Maybe public humiliation (they've done a good job of that themselves), total boycott (unfortunately won't happen), and their business to go bust (unlikely) might do it.