Off Topic Good God

[Nads]

It’s not to be underestimated the depth of the damage he is causing, currently in the US bit throughout the world.

I sat watching it all unfold on CNN until 3am, with my mouth wide open absolutely staggered at what he has started.

He’s ‘led’ a country to the brink of civil war in 48 hours. He is institutionally racist and elitist (and staggeringly open about it).

He’s tried to invoke a hundreds year old law to say ‘look what I can do’ without actually realising that, well, you can’t. Not without the prior of approval of the state governors who are lining up to condemn him.

He’s pulled out of arms treaties. He’s pulled them out of the WHO. He has sent millions back to work as good as saying ‘**** you all go make me and my rich pals more money’.

He’s gone beyond being an entertaining bumbling narcissist (that’s you Boris...) to being a genuine threat to the human race, I truly believe he’s every bit as dangerous as anyone North Korea or Russia could ever dash up.

Joe Biden is in with the knives and he’s not playing to the camera, he looked like a man just as troubled as he should be by the scenes across their nation.

If Trump was a leader of let’s say, Iraq, well the US would invade and take him out.

It’s incredible, and it’s worrying. That’s before we even look at the fact that the starting point of the latest explosion, racist police thinking they are above the gods, has continued unchecked under his administration.

Madness. Dictionary definition madness.

 

[Smug in Boots]

It’s not to be underestimated the depth of the damage he is causing, currently in the US bit throughout the world.

I sat watching it all unfold on CNN until 3am, with my mouth wide open absolutely staggered at what he has started.

He’s ‘lead’ a country to the brink of civil war in 48 hours. He is institutionally racist and elitist (and staggeringly open about it).

He’s tried to invoke a hundreds year old law to say ‘look what I can do’ without actually realising that, well, you can’t. Not without the prior of approval of the state governors who are lining up to condemn him.

He’s pulled out of arms treaties. He’s pulled them out of the WHO. He has sent millions back to work as good as saying ‘**** you all go make me and my rich pals more money’.

He’s gone beyond being an entertaining humbling narcissist (that’s you Boris...) to being a genuine threat to the human race, I truly believe he’s every bit as dangerous as anyone North Korea or Russia could ever dash up.

Joe Biden is in with the knives and he’s not playing to the camera, he looked like a man just as troubled as he should be by the scenes across their nation.

If Trump was a leader of let’s say, Iraq, well the US would invade and take him out.

It’s incredible, and it’s worrying. That’s before we even look at the fact that the starting point of the latest explosion, racist police thinking they are above the gods, has continued unchecked under his administration.

Madness. Dictionary definition madness.

Trump was perfectly capable of running America, other idiots managed it.

Then a white cop killed a black man.

Johnson was perfectly capable of being the front man for Brexit.

Then a killer virus apppeared.

Suddenly, they both look ridiculous ...

... but no longer in the daft knockabout jokey way people voted for.

Now, the people who wanted them to rule can't admit they're useless without accepting they were wrong.

So they'll keep on defending them no matter how many dreadful mistakes they make.

 

[safc-noggieland]

Trump was perfectly capable of running America, other idiots managed it.

Then a white cop killed a black man.

Johnson was perfectly capable of being the front man for Brexit.

Then a killer virus apppeared.

Suddenly, they both look ridiculous ...

... but no longer in the daft knockabout jokey way people voted for.

Now, the people who wanted them to rule can't admit they're useless without accepting they were wrong.

So they'll keep on defending them no matter how many dreadful mistakes they make.

Unfortunately this is so true.
Some days my despair just deepens.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Unfortunately this is so true.
Some days my despair just deepens.

This is why I live in a daft bubble mate.

I'm currently in SW France being paid cash in hand at a tax loss villa where no one ever comes.

The owners make their money by taxing the hoi poloi ...

... just as they all do.

 

[safc-noggieland]

This is why I live in a daft bubble mate.

I'm currently in SW France being paid cash in hand at a tax loss villa where no one ever comes.

The owners make their money by taxing the hoi poloi ...

... just as they all do.

Yea, I have my own bubble here in Norway.
But I’m S/land born & bread.
I’m British through & through - knowing the good & the bad.
Probably because, relatively speaking, in these C-19 times I know personally I’m in a good place that I feel for good folk that are not having it so good and thus feel a little tweak in my conscience. Which in turn leads to despair when I read that folk are ready to vote again for these two reprobates even sfter sll they have, snd have not done.
Trying to KTF

 

[Smug in Boots]

Yea, I have my own bubble here in Norway.
But I’m S/land born & bread.
I’m British through & through - knowing the good & the bad.
Probably because, relatively speaking, in these C-19 times I know personally I’m in a good place that I feel for good folk that are not having it so good and thus feel a little tweak in my conscience. Which in turn leads to despair when I read that folk are ready to vote again for these two reprobates even sfter sll they have, snd have not done.
Trying to KTF

Same here mate

 

[Perritts Parrot]

Trump was perfectly capable of running America, other idiots managed it.

Then a white cop killed a black man.

Johnson was perfectly capable of being the front man for Brexit.

Then a killer virus apppeared.

Suddenly, they both look ridiculous ...

... but no longer in the daft knockabout jokey way people voted for.

Now, the people who wanted them to rule can't admit they're useless without accepting they were wrong.

So they'll keep on defending them no matter how many dreadful mistakes they make.

I think a great deal of people are changing their minds about the buffoon smug marra. There's no coming back from the absolute clusterf**k they've made of this. I've said that the yanks could vote Trump back in because of the seemingly large amount of them who will follow him blindly. Unfortunately the same could happen here as there doesn't seem to be any viable opposition. The whole system needs a kick up the a**e .

 

[Zidane]

I'm worried that he will get in again. He will make it all about China , whip up a storm telling them that the Chinese are taking over unless they vote for him, and the uneducated will swallow the lot.

 

[safc-noggieland]

I think a great deal of people are changing their minds about the buffoon smug marra. There's no coming back from the absolute clusterf**k they've made of this. I've said that the yanks could vote Trump back in because of the seemingly large amount of them who will follow him blindly. Unfortunately the same could happen here as there doesn't seem to be any viable opposition. The whole system needs a kick up the a**e .

You see the only part of your very good post I don’t understand is your penultimate sentence,
‘There doesn’t seem to be any viable opposition.’

When a party has been government for 10+ years and had at least 4 PMs and has done nothing (IMO) but drive ‘austerity’ to is limits whilst looking after the mega rich, who co-incidentally are often tax exiles.
A government whos avowed aim is to slowly but surely privatise the NHS.
There is not much that an opposition can do but keep highlighting gov. sh:t.
Only when the electorate gets fed up and votes in the oppo can we really judge their ability.
Compound this with a written Press that is virtually. PR division of the tories, that shoves the party line down our throats. (Can anyone truly name a left-wing national newspaper)

The British voter is gaslighted 24/7. They still voted for a man that is a known and proven liar.
It appeared possible from 1945 to 2010 for voters to say ‘bugger it, we will give the others a go’. But not today.
So what I am waiting for is the general public to stop lapping up the Mail Express etc. etc. and say
For Gods sake «Time For aChange»

 

[Evil Jimmy Krankie]

I have a couple of American mates and they honestly think he was the better of the 2 candidates! They think Clinton would've been far worse!!

The thing I would have found ironic is that if Hilary did win, she would have taken up residence in the same office and most likely same chair that her husband got blown off in by another woman he most definitely did not have sexual relations with.

Back to Trumpo the Clown. I think I read it on the SMB that what he is is a talk show host with a series of failed businesses behind him. Is it any wonder he’s completely out of his depth now?

 

[polyphemus]

You see the only part of your very good post I don’t understand is your penultimate sentence,
‘There doesn’t seem to be any viable opposition.’

When a party has been government for 10+ years and had at least 4 PMs and has done nothing (IMO) but drive ‘austerity’ to is limits whilst looking after the mega rich, who co-incidentally are often tax exiles.
A government whos avowed aim is to slowly but surely privatise the NHS.
There is not much that an opposition can do but keep highlighting gov. sh:t.
Only when the electorate gets fed up and votes in the oppo can we really judge their ability.
Compound this with a written Press that is virtually. PR division of the tories, that shoves the party line down our throats. (Can anyone truly name a left-wing national newspaper)

The British voter is gaslighted 24/7. They still voted for a man that is a known and proven liar.
It appeared possible from 1945 to 2010 for voters to say ‘bugger it, we will give the others a go’. But not today.
So what I am waiting for is the general public to stop lapping up the Mail Express etc. etc. and say
For Gods sake «Time For aChange»

While not disagreeing with the general thrust of your argument I do feel that trotting out the old 'tory press' argument has just about passed it's sell by date.

The days when the majority of us got our news from the morning papers is long gone.
Now it's TV and/or the internet.

 

[rooch 3]

I think a great deal of people are changing their minds about the buffoon smug marra. There's no coming back from the absolute clusterf**k they've made of this. I've said that the yanks could vote Trump back in because of the seemingly large amount of them who will follow him blindly. Unfortunately the same could happen here as there doesn't seem to be any viable opposition. The whole system needs a kick up the a**e .

And I believe that is the only reason they would be voted back in, what a f ucking shambles our parties are.

 

[rooch 3]

You see the only part of your very good post I don’t understand is your penultimate sentence,
‘There doesn’t seem to be any viable opposition.’

When a party has been government for 10+ years and had at least 4 PMs and has done nothing (IMO) but drive ‘austerity’ to is limits whilst looking after the mega rich, who co-incidentally are often tax exiles.
A government whos avowed aim is to slowly but surely privatise the NHS.
There is not much that an opposition can do but keep highlighting gov. sh:t.
Only when the electorate gets fed up and votes in the oppo can we really judge their ability.
Compound this with a written Press that is virtually. PR division of the tories, that shoves the party line down our throats. (Can anyone truly name a left-wing national newspaper)

The British voter is gaslighted 24/7. They still voted for a man that is a known and proven liar.
It appeared possible from 1945 to 2010 for voters to say ‘bugger it, we will give the others a go’. But not today.
So what I am waiting for is the general public to stop lapping up the Mail Express etc. etc. and say
For Gods sake «Time For aChange»

Who owned the press when Blair and Brown were in?

 

[safc-noggieland]

Who owned the press when Blair and Brown were in?

Seriously ???
Did you actually read my post ?
It was a critique of many things but mostly the change of political dynamics in the last 20 years. Again then, from 1945 - 2010 electors and commentators were prepared to change government that was perceived to benot doing its job. From left to right and vice versa.
But today this seems no longer to be the case. I suggested that folk were electing a government that was tired and passed its best and a PM that was a misogynist and worse a LIAR, due mainly to the fact the the British press is not as analitical, critical or even handed as they once were.
Now you are entitled to disagree, it is our right.
Your reply leaves me . . wondering.

 

[rooch 3]

Seriously ???
Did you actually read my post ?
It was a critique of many things but mostly the change of political dynamics in the last 20 years. Again then, from 1945 - 2010 electors and commentators were prepared to change government that was perceived to benot doing its job. From left to right and vice versa.
But today this seems no longer to be the case. I suggested that folk were electing a government that was tired and passed its best and a PM that was a misogynist and worse a LIAR, due mainly to the fact the the British press is not as analitical, critical or even handed as they once were.
Now you are entitled to disagree, it is our right.
Your reply leaves me . . wondering.

No problem mate, I disagree.

 

[polyphemus]

Seriously ???
Did you actually read my post ?
It was a critique of many things but mostly the change of political dynamics in the last 20 years. Again then, from 1945 - 2010 electors and commentators were prepared to change government that was perceived to benot doing its job. From left to right and vice versa.
But today this seems no longer to be the case. I suggested that folk were electing a government that was tired and passed its best and a PM that was a misogynist and worse a LIAR, due mainly to the fact the the British press is not as analitical, critical or even handed as they once were.
Now you are entitled to disagree, it is our right.
Your reply leaves me . . wondering.

To be honest, I don't think that, at the last Election, the one that resulted in a Tory Landslide, had much to do with voters being in a rush to vote either Boris or his Party into power, but a lot wanted Brexit, something that Boris promised they could have and something that the opposition was not prepared to promise.

Even more, though, they DID NOT WANT CORBYN and the very left wing that he was associated with.
Many 'Remainers' must have voted for Boris because they just couldn't stomach Jeremy and his friends, and none of that was down to the Press.

 

[The Norton Cat]

To be honest, I don't think that, at the last Election, the one that resulted in a Tory Landslide, had much to do with voters being in a rush to vote either Boris or his Party into power, but a lot wanted Brexit, something that Boris promised they could have and something that the opposition was not prepared to promise.

Even more, though, they DID NOT WANT CORBYN and the very left wing that he was associated with.
Many 'Remainers' must have voted for Boris because they just couldn't stomach Jeremy and his friends, and none of that was down to the Press.

That was me. As I've said on here before, I'm a floating voter. I find the concept that you can 'support' a political party, as if it was a football team, completely ludicrous and actually detrimental to democracy.

I'm no fan of Boris, although there have been things in his political career that I think he has got very right. I voted for his party, despite his blustering and obvious lies, because I couldn't vote for Corbyn's. To me, Corbyn came across as totally insincere, snidey, underhanded, and sneaky. I couldn't trust him despite the fact that I didn't disagree with a lot of his policies.

 

[safc-noggieland]

To be honest, I don't think that, at the last Election, the one that resulted in a Tory Landslide, had much to do with voters being in a rush to vote either Boris or his Party into power, but a lot wanted Brexit, something that Boris promised they could have and something that the opposition was not prepared to promise.

Even more, though, they DID NOT WANT CORBYN and the very left wing that he was associated with.
Many 'Remainers' must have voted for Boris because they just couldn't stomach Jeremy and his friends, and none of that was down to the Press.

«None of that was down to the press»
You’re having a larf - day after day after day, I’ve never read so much vitriol in so many papers.
It was unreal and blatant.
The constant accusations of anti-semitic leaning of Corbyn whilst ignoring so many other authoritive jewish leaders and groups that said irrefutably that he was not.
Sorry, but to suggest the press had no effect is beyond my ken.

 

[safc-noggieland]

That was me. As I've said on here before, I'm a floating voter. I find the concept that you can 'support' a political party, as if it was a football team, completely ludicrous and actually detrimental to democracy.

I'm no fan of Boris, although there have been things in his political career that I think he has got very right. I voted for his party, despite his blustering and obvious lies, because I couldn't vote for Corbyn's. To me, Corbyn came across as totally insincere, snidey, underhanded, and sneaky. I couldn't trust him despite the fact that I didn't disagree with a lot of his policies.

So you voted for a PARTY (ignoring its leader) because you didn’t like/trust the LEADER of a party that had policies you agreed with.
Illogical.

 

[The Norton Cat]

So you voted for a PARTY (ignoring its leader) because you didn’t like/trust the LEADER of a party that had policies you agreed with.
Illogical.

Completely logical. The Conservative party also had policies that I agreed with. At that election, the decision came down to which leader I thought would be least damaging to the country.