Transfer Rumours Transfer Rumours thread

[jaffaSlot]

Comparing us to Spurs ... seriously

Its fitting on the anniversary of us humiliating them in the champions league final and watching Tottenham fall apart day by day following that. Mourinho being the manager is the cherry on top.

 

[THE FOOL]

It's a difficult one with the owners, whether they are fantastic or ****e will depend on your own personal view point.

For me, I'm happy, you dont here alot about them anymore, the team very much is the talking point, which is how it should be.

I didn't want to be city or Chelsea pissing money away and finding ways to exploit financial fair play. I'm really ****ing glad we are no longer being stripped bare and left for dead.

Fsg are business men, I'm happy they've come in, invested where necessary and moved the club forward. It seems a long time ago but **** me we where a right state not in the distant past


If in a few years they decide to sell up for a good profit, I'd say thankyou and look to the future.

 

[saintanton]

Spurs with go-faster stripes. Yay....

I still think that had that shyster Moores not took the extra shilling from H&G rather than the solid offer from DIC (yes, I know they weren't Sheikh Mansour or Abramovich, but they were solid and had the Dubai Royal family and bank behind them) we'd be light years ahead of where we are now.

I just feel we're sometimes supposed to feel grateful that FSG are not as bad as H&G: well, and sorry to sound like I feel entitled, but a successful, well-invested Liverpool can and should be in world's top five clubs (yes, I know we are now), but we should be that and have our new stadium or this one fully extended, imo. And as we can't extend the Kenny Stand or the KOP any further, as I understand it, we've now accepted that @62k is it for the foreseeable future. Well that won't keep us in the top five clubs for long imo, even with the 'new normal' of behind closed doors/restricted capacity for the next few years.

I'm quite happy with them.

 

[Zanjinho]

This ^

The idea that there’ll be a return to ‘normal’ transfer business is for the birds. Most clubs won’t be left with a budget and will have to trade at nett. Others will be seeking to trade at a negative to try and balance their books imo.

That's on the assumption clubs like operate like a normal business and comply to rules too...

 

[johnsonsbaby]

FSG have made a couple of mistakes where they've been shown up not to have been in touch with local or fan feeling but to their credit they always made it right. That shows that they are willing to listen and act on what they've heard.

 

[Tobes]

That's on the assumption clubs like operate like a normal business and comply to rules too...

It’s largely based on maths tbh mate.

 

[Zanjinho]

It’s largely based on maths tbh mate.

I realise that but there are many clubs that don't give a ****...

 

[Tobes]

I realise that but there are many clubs that don't give a ****...

They can only not give a **** is someone is bankrolling them as a benefactor.

 

[Zanjinho]

They can only not give a **** is someone is bankrolling them as a benefactor.

Or they're simply happy to outbid everyone else...

 

[Zanjinho]

They can only not give a **** is someone is bankrolling them as a benefactor.

Or stock pile talent to sell on fire a profit later...

We all know prices will go back up in time so a club like Man City or PSG who don't care about FFP could fo what Chelsea did when FFP was introduced; but loads, loan them out, sell for vast profits later (or keep them if they're good enough).

 

[Tobes]

Or they're simply happy to outbid everyone else...

Yes, but to outbid clubs you have to actually have the cash, the salient point is, that this crisis has had a financial impact on every club in the land (and beyond) and the hit will continue into next season. The level of cash we’ve seen spent in previous years simply wont be there. There might be handful of sugar daddy owned clubs who still spend, but the vast majority will either have a massively reduced budget or no budget at all.

 

[Zanjinho]

Yes, but to outbid clubs you have to actually have the cash, the salient point is, that this crisis has had a financial impact on every club in the land (and beyond) and the hit will continue into next season. The level of cash we’ve seen spent in previous years simply wont be there. There might be handful of sugar daddy owned clubs who still spend, but the vast majority will either have a massively reduced budget or no budget at all.

Man City and PSG never had the cash before

 

[Solid Air 2]

I think you've been spending too much time on the PL board where it's almost compulsory that you make your point and follow it with a derogatory remark or personal insult of some kind . Not that I've ever seen you stoop to insults btw.

i was just agreeing pointing out yes i am a cynic but that had no impact on my point re clubs finance that was more dictated by my own feeling of not relying financially on anyone else , including the state , therefore always playing safe financially to ensure if the **** hits the fan we can ride it out .

 

[Tobes]

Man City and PSG never had the cash before

Before what? When they got taken over by oil States?

I’m not seeing your point here tbh.

 

[THE FOOL]

Before what? When they got taken over by oil States?

I’m not seeing your point here tbh.

I may be mistaken, but the clubs themselves are not actually rich, it's the "benefactors " behind them that have the money. They find ways of spending it through the club, to bank role them, but if they pulled out, city and Chelsea would be back to being piss pot poor.

I do wonder how most clubs would fair, if their owners stopped the loans and cash injections and had to survive on genuine revenue alone.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I may be mistaken, but the clubs themselves are not actually rich, it's the "benefactors " behind them that have the money. They find ways of spending it through the club, to bank role them, but if they pulled out, city and Chelsea would be back to being piss pot poor.

I do wonder how most clubs would fair, if their owners stopped the loans and cash injections and had to survive on genuine revenue alone.

I think you're right on the first point. Before the virus, clubs like city and PSG were spending money they didn't have so after the virus and the financial losses that go with it, they will still find a way to spend big. Haven't PSG just paid €50m for Icardi,?

On your second point, I wonder how clubs will fair without tv money, or with a lesser amount should it come to that. Apart from the bigger clubs, most of the league depend and rely on the tv money for survival.

 

[Tobes]

I may be mistaken, but the clubs themselves are not actually rich, it's the "benefactors " behind them that have the money. They find ways of spending it through the club, to bank role them, but if they pulled out, city and Chelsea would be back to being piss pot poor.

I do wonder how most clubs would fair, if their owners stopped the loans and cash injections and had to survive on genuine revenue alone.

Largely correct mate yes. They cover losses and inject capital, if the losses go beyond the FFP rules a handful of benefactor owned clubs get ‘creative’ with how they can hide the fact that the benefactors are investing beyond the level that the rules allow.

You’re wrong about Chelsea though, they’ve been self sustaining since 2014 mate.

 

[THE FOOL]

Largely correct mate yes. They cover losses and inject capital, if the losses go beyond the FFP rules a handful of benefactor owned clubs get ‘creative’ with how they can hide the fact that the benefactors are investing beyond the level that the rules allow.

You’re wrong about Chelsea though, they’ve been self sustaining since 2014 mate.

To be honest, I was hesitant about lumping Chelsea with city. I know they've done massive things around their ground, plus all that young talent they hovered up is paying itself back with interest.

It looks like Roman has lost a bit if interest as well.

 

[THE FOOL]

I think you're right on the first point. Before the virus, clubs like city and PSG were spending money they didn't have so after the virus and the financial losses that go with it, they will still find a way to spend big. Haven't PSG just paid €50m for Icardi,?

On your second point, I wonder how clubs will fair without tv money, or with a lesser amount should it come to that. Apart from the bigger clubs, most of the league depend and rely on the tv money for survival.

I'm puzzled to what will happen with the TV money, the games, interest and advertising will still be there, so as long as the games can be played I cant see it being a vastly different sum.

Infact with no crowds and more games available it may prove more enticing


As I with everything it will be a very much wait and see approach.

 

[Tobes]

To be honest, I was hesitant about lumping Chelsea with city. I know they've done massive things around their ground, plus all that young talent they hovered up is paying itself back with interest.

It looks like Roman has lost a bit if interest as well.

He definitely lost interest, he’s not been seen in the U.K. for over 2 years, since his visa wasn’t renewed.