Coronavirus

[Edelman]

That's not going to change, remember HiaG?

Yes .
We have a cleaner at work that is married to our Van driver.
She said earlier that he refuses to believe that it exists because he doesn't know anybody that's died .

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Is Astro out yet?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Yes .
We have a cleaner at work that is married to our Van driver.
She said earlier that he refuses to believe that it exists because he doesn't know anybody that's died .

I sometimes wonder if Fulham exist as you never meet a fan in real life.

 

[Edelman]

I sometimes wonder if Fulham exist as you never meet a fan in real life.

Who ??

 

[Treble]

Boris looked at odds with the medical experts. First off he just threw a wet blanket on any hint of them having a say about Cummings, presumably because he feared they’d speak openly and honestly about it. Instead he patronised them and they politely declined to embarrass him.

Then after he’d said 6 different households can meet up for a piss up and a BBQ (as long as they only go Indoors for a slash) the medical experts laid down the reality of the situation which is that infection rates are still really high.

Boris is just going through the motions, dishing out the nuggets of easing lockdown to keep ‘on message‘ and make it look like it’s all nice and tidy and on track.

looks like we might be on for a second wave.

I've got no problem with ending the lockdown. Who the hell in their right mind wouldn't want to get back to normality. I just expected it to be done when it was safer to do so. As I've said before, a graduated response. Certainly one that involved procedures more robust than what we're seeing. We don't need to wait for a vaccine but any proven antigen test that enabled us to know who's had it and get them back to work first is just one example of that.

I posted this a few days ago - I have parents who I've been doing the shopping for and getting their prescriptions. They've always been independent so getting them to agree to that was hard enough. My dad's now talking about doing it himself. I've talked him in to letting me continue. My point is not so much about whether the elderly should remain isolated (which is an argument in itself) but just that I don't know when it'll be safe for them and when it won't. I would've liked to feel confident that when the government said, we are at the end of a lockdown, every area showed the risk was minimal. Not in the balance.

 

[brb]

Yes .
We have a cleaner at work that is married to our Van driver.
She said earlier that he refuses to believe that it exists because he doesn't know anybody that's died .

Sadly it will not matter what discussion is had with some, they will still be reckless. I go out, I see the majority social distancing, but you always get a few that don't, generally young males in their youth are the ones I've experienced. Maybe because they still think, it will not affect them.

 

[FosseFilberto]

**** knows mate, I'd rather set myself on fire than watch the daily press briefing every day.

Please make sure you are at least 2 metres away from others before self immolating ... unless you are doing it to see if you are actually safe to immolate by visiting a beauty spot or are doing it for child healthcare reasons ...

 

[Tobes]

Yes .
We have a cleaner at work that is married to our Van driver.
She said earlier that he refuses to believe that it exists because he doesn't know anybody that's died .

I take it she doesn’t bother with PPE whilst cleaning the bogs then?

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Please make sure you are at least 2 metres away from others before self immolating ... unless you are doing it to see if you are actually safe to immolate by visiting a beauty spot or are doing it for child healthcare reasons ...

You do need to check your vision after your eyeballs have been fried from their sockets.

 

[brb]

I've got no problem with ending the lockdown. Who the hell in their right mind wouldn't want to get back to normality. I just expected it to be done when it was safer to do so. As I've said before, a graduated response. Certainly one that involved procedures more robust than what we're seeing. We don't need to wait for a vaccine but any proven antigen test that enabled us to know who's had it and get them back to work first is just one example of that.

I posted this a few days ago - I have parents who I've been doing the shopping for and getting their prescriptions. They've always been independent so getting them to agree to that was hard enough. My dad's now talking about doing it himself. I've talked him in to letting me continue. My point is not so much about whether the elderly should remain isolated (which is an argument in itself) but just that I don't know when it'll be safe for them and when it won't. I would've liked to feel confident that when the government said, we are at the end of a lockdown, every area showed the risk was minimal. Not in the balance.

Not sure if you know mate, but Morrisons now do an essentials shopping list, which they tend to promise to deliver next day, if your dad wants some sort of independence to be self reliant. You pay by contactless when they arrive, that's the only thing.

 

[Libby]

Boris looked at odds with the medical experts. First off he just threw a wet blanket on any hint of them having a say about Cummings, presumably because he feared they’d speak openly and honestly about it. Instead he patronised them and they politely declined to embarrass him.

Then after he’d said 6 different households can meet up for a piss up and a BBQ (as long as they only go Indoors for a slash) the medical experts laid down the reality of the situation which is that infection rates are still really high.

Boris is just going through the motions, dishing out the nuggets of easing lockdown to keep ‘on message‘ and make it look like it’s all nice and tidy and on track.

looks like we might be on for a second wave.

You say 'looks like we might be on for a second wave' as if it's something that's avoidable, whereas surely it's something that's now inevitable regardless of what happens? Unless we kept everyone locked up for a year which we surely all agree wouldn't be practical.

Covid is here now and ain't going anywhere, we have to adapt and find ways to live with it. It may sound cold but ultimately life needs to go on.

 

[Looney Leftie]

Is anyone else looking at other countries and wondering what the hell are we doing.

There are obvious examples from elsewhere as to how to lower the R value that we appear to be ignoring.

Why are face masks not mandatory on transport and in enclosed spaces?

Why did we stop track, trace and isolate when the most successful countries has this throughout and managed to genuinely control spread.

Why did we not isolate areas to restrict spread. It genuinely amazes me that at the height of the pandemic in London Cummings was able to drive to Durham unchallenged, surely restricting transport on major arteries to essential use in the same way Italy isolated Lombardy would've made sense.

I also don't get the furlough scheme. Give a UBI and support the people, don't leave it at the will of employers.

Truth is I don't get any of what this government have done and genuinely think we could and should already be back to work and dealing with pockets of infection rather than this rapidly deteriorating lock down.

 

[Edelman]

I take it she doesn’t bother with PPE whilst cleaning the bogs then?

Not seen her clean the bogs mate .
In fact I dont see her cleaning really .
She just talks all the time

 

[PINKIE]

I don't think he was at odds with the medical experts at all, they just didn't want to get involved in the political point scoring, which seems fair enough to me. They may well have had a view about Cummings, much as I've had a view about Cummings, much like the whole fooking media have had a view about Cummings. Any suggestion to say people now won't follow the guidelines is up to them, I certainly have no intentions of spreading the virus to myself or family. What other people do is down to them, their the ones that will have to carry any reckless actions on their shoulders.

Boris' contribution was to encourage people taking more risks, by meeting up with more people and households. And as you know some people will just see it as 'end of lockdown' and help to spread the virus again. Let's just say the medical experts poured some cool water on that with the reality check that infection rates are still really high and the R number is hovering below 1.

I'm the same as you on this mate, I'm not taking any risks. I think the easing will almost certainly increase infection rates.

 

[lfcpower]

They’re not being guided by the science at the minute, they’re currently engaged in PR lead decisions.

I fully expect him to lob out a date for pubs reopening in the next day or so.

Think you're bang on here, it's time to appease the populace with a return to freedoms, it's the best scenario for them to have everyone enjoying being on the loose again and concentrating on how brilliant that is, as opposed to keeping restrictions where everyone can dwell on Cummings and the various tory failings indefinitely. I say this as someone who thinks we should be starting to think about returning more to 'normal' now anyway, cautiously of course

 

[Treble]

Not sure if you know mate, but Morrisons now do an essentials shopping list, which they tend to promise to deliver next day, if your dad wants some sort of independence to be self reliant. You pay by contactless when they arrive, that's the only thing.

Thanks mate but he wants to go out, the whole thing of being out and doing it himself. Plus, it gives me a chance to see them tbh. And then there's also the prescriptions. The main point is about their safety though and what I expected circumstances to be like when it would be for them.

 

[brb]

Boris' contribution was to encourage people taking more risks, by meeting up with more people and households. And as you know some people will just see it as 'end of lockdown' and help to spread the virus again. Let's just say the medical experts poured some cool water on that with the reality check that infection rates are still really high and the R number is hovering below 1.

I'm the same as you on this mate, I'm not taking any risks. I think the easing will almost certainly increase infection rates.

I have no doubt that infection rate might increase, but I will not be blaming Boris for that, I will be blaming those who chose to ignore the guidelines, due to Cummings or something, because he is more important than protecting their own family and friends. You seem to have some fetish over Boris, my point being we are all responsible for our own actions....yes, just like Cummings, but you can either chose to take his example or not, I know exactly what I will be doing, and it won't involve cutting my nose off to spite my face.

 

[brb]

Thanks mate but he wants to go out, the whole thing of being out and doing it himself. Plus, it gives me a chance to see them tbh. And then there's also the prescriptions. The main point is about their safety though and what I expected circumstances to be like when it would be for them.

I expect they are going stir crazy mate. Does the chemist not offer a delivery service? I order all my meds online now, they go straight to the pharmacy, without any interaction by me, other than by my keyboard.

 

[PINKIE]

You say 'looks like we might be on for a second wave' as if it's something that's avoidable, whereas surely it's something that's now inevitable regardless of what happens? Unless we kept everyone locked up for a year which we surely all agree wouldn't be practical.

Covid is here now and ain't going anywhere, we have to adapt and find ways to live with it. It may sound cold but ultimately life needs to go on.

Yes it is, and we do have to find ways to adapt, but it's not either lock everybody up or let them all do what they want.

More about managing it properly. Which for me hasn't been done properly from the start and still doesn't look right.

 

[Treble]

Is anyone else looking at other countries and wondering what the hell are we doing.

There are obvious examples from elsewhere as to how to lower the R value that we appear to be ignoring.

Why are face masks not mandatory on transport and in enclosed spaces?

Why did we stop track, trace and isolate when the most successful countries has this throughout and managed to genuinely control spread.

Why did we not isolate areas to restrict spread. It genuinely amazes me that at the height of the pandemic in London Cummings was able to drive to Durham unchallenged, surely restricting transport on major arteries to essential use in the same way Italy isolated Lombardy would've made sense.

I also don't get the furlough scheme. Give a UBI and support the people, don't leave it at the will of employers.

Truth is I don't get any of what this government have done and genuinely think we could and should already be back to work and dealing with pockets of infection rather than this rapidly deteriorating lock down.

You've listed several things that I would've expected us to have gone through to make the country safer prior to easing lockdown.

Add to that the antigen test to identify those that have had it.