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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Goldhawk-Road

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    We didn't have it with EU freedom of movement laws. It's true that Blair could have exercised more control over Eastern Europe and chose not to, but generally rights to control who came in from the rest of the EU were highly restricted.
     
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    What do you think they haven't got right. Did all the other countries lie to their subjects regarding care homes also?
     
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  3. bobmid

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    We put a protective ring around care homes early doors and locked them down before the official lockdown........is that the truth or a blatant lie?
     
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  4. Goldhawk-Road

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    Other national governments were blindsided too. There's no point me arguing with you about what is a lie and what is a statement of intent that proved to be groundless. But the good news for you is that if you are right, and the government failed and lied, then it will probably fall like Blair when he failed and lied, and then you'll have a Labour government
     
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  5. bobmid

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    I agree though, this is a worldwide pandemic, unprecedented etc. Many countries have struggled to contain it. Some have done really well. We have been one of the worst. That's a fact unfortunately.
     
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  6. Star of David Bardsley

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    We did have the right to kick out anyone who didn’t fulfil specific criteria that made them useful, for want of a better word. We just chose to ignore that and play the victim. It worked.
     
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    Would you not class that as a lie then? Bizarre. A statement which even to this day is continuously spewed out despite facts proving it totally incorrect. You have a strange way of distinguishing the truth Goldy, one that I cant quite fathom. QPR won the league last year, facts prove they didnt but I continue to stress they did. I'm either deluded or just a liar.
     
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  10. Star of David Bardsley

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    We threw the lions into the ring with the Christian but after a while we threw him a potato peeler so really it’s his fault if he gets mauled to death. Common sense, alert etc.
     
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    You obviously dont mind being lied to. Fair enough
     
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    We may have had the genius idea of having more people die outside of care homes to reduce the percentage of deaths occurring in care homes.
     
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  13. Goldhawk-Road

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    No, it was much more restrictive than that. You could occasionally kick someone out for criminality. If an employer wanted to bring in cheap European labour to undercut the local market, they could do it. We're not talking here about fruit pickers etc. They will still come on a seasonal basis. It's done on need, which is right.
     
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  14. Goldhawk-Road

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    Have you read it?
     
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    Yes I have read it. I read something similar the other day. Care homes have been an issue worldwide. Some countries haven't lied about trying to deal with it though.
     
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    An official enquiry when it happens will look at whether the government gave false assurances - they may have done - and whether this caused more deaths in care homes - that's not clear at the moment. Care homes were incredibly vulnerable, here and across Europe
     
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    It's perfectly clear that they lied in parliment and on national tv mate. Their own government website clarified that ffs. Can you not admit that
     
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    I must re-read 1984.
     
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    Downing Street have denied this allegation. And have claimed Starmer is quoting assurances out of context. Time will tell
     
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    Sadly the politics thread has turned into the Coronavirus MII (we hate the government and they lied... no proof but who cares) thread. I give up! The same posters bringing up the same rubbish. Everything is just getting turned into "the government lied" blah blah. The Coronavirus thread is just as bad now. All those informative posts are dwarfed by utter rubbish. Anyway back to work.
     
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