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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Quite Possibly Raving

    Quite Possibly Raving Well-Known Member

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    I think this is pretty much in keeping with most people. Boris is Boris to most people. As was 'Jezza' to some. Most other politicians don't get there.
     
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  2. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Not sure. No one will be able to 'out Boris' Boris, if you see what I mean, so a cold calculating and analytical approach may be the best bet for any opposition. Be the professionalism to Boris' charisma and hope the mood of the electorate changes and demands substance in the aftermath of all this. Not a guarantee but a good approach I'd say.
     
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  3. Star of David Bardsley

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    He really isn’t boring. It’s just a lazy stick to beat him with because he bothers to do his job properly rather than rely on a stupid haircut and some Latin.
     
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  4. ELLERS

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    I still believe a leader must have some charismatic qualities. For all Boris bumbling and mumbling and lack of detail, people like him and he is popular. He is charismatic and other leaders like him. For me, Starmer is not even in the same league.
     
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  5. Stroller

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    Serious times demand serious politicians. People will soon see through Johnson's empty shtick.
     
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    And this pandemic is proving what a joke of a leader he is. He doesnt have a clue what's going on but hey hes got charisma that might get him through another 10,000 deaths or so.
     
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    absolutely politics needs grown ups who are knowledgeable not an idiot waving a flag on a zip wire
     
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  8. ELLERS

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    Not according to Watford because the electorate is as 'thick as mince'?
    Truth is, people know what Boris is like and they still like him. This is going to be a massive problem for Starmer because he is dull, wooden. All that forensic lawyer stuff will bore people. Boris rallies and brings a smile to people's faces and he has a vision... Starmer does not. Starmer will also have problems within his own party (Jezza's mates), not to mention his Brexit 2nd referendum stance. The fact is, he was part of Jezza's inner circle and the Tories won't forget that.
    I also think that deep down Labour supporters must know that he won't beat Boris.
    On another note, and I was critical of him, however, I always listened to Jezza (didn't agree most of the time but listened). This bloke is boring and a turn off for voters.
     
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    We shall have to wait and see at the next election? I know where my money will be going. :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    Time will tell I guess. You might be right, his charisma might see him through. On the other hand, we've seen today that the government has admitted that there will be checks on goods between N Ireland and England, showing that Boris has lied on a matter that his party felt was so important that they got rid of May over it. His lies may continue to catch up with him and charisma may only cover up so many cracks.
     
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    I have not heard this? Is this news this evening?
     
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    I have seen 2 articles now. I guess if I am honest I expected some sort of checks. Ireland was always going to be an Achilles heel. What he needs to do is make sure he protects the fisherman because he will be in trouble if he u-turns on that.
     
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    I think this coronavirus pandemic will show even the simplest of folk, whom dont mind being constantly lied to, that the man they helped vote in is the man who destroyed the country. Some interesting times ahead I reckon but first we need to keep scrutinizing and watching this government, calling out their lies, misleading stats, poor communication, corruption and all the rest before they help contribute to more deaths with more piss poor leadership.
     
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    What's it matter? He tells them one thing, everyone falls for it and he does the opposite. He could stab some peoples granny in the eye with a blunt spoon and still they would think its was just a mistake.
     
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    Not that you often come across sharp spoons!
     
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    Ellers, charisma can be good, I agree. But seriously...

    You make quite good arguments at times but then you regress to quite childlike observations sometimes. Like your previous post about Boris ' clenching his fist ' shows his passion or something like that.

    No. ' Mumbling and bumbling and lack of detail ' is not to be admired. I expect that from my 8 year old son, not our PM.

    Yes, Boris and his team have done alot of good work and I applaud some of it. I don't envy them at all. Its damned if you do and damned if don't.

    Starmer is in opposition. He is however eminently more incisive and forensic than Boris. Charisma? Maybe not as much, but trustworthy and sharper? Yes.

    Jezza was ****e. I agree with you there :)
     
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    A clear case of someone trying to convince himself, if ever I saw one.

    You can almost smell the fear, emanating from between these hackneyed lines.
     
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    is it boris or the virus destroying the country
     
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    He does have the advantage May didn’t have of the backbenches being full of fanboys from Brexitshire who would have never got beyond being the local UKIP candidate on 1% of the vote in normal circumstances and thus owe him their livelihoods.
     
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    These points are all linked.
     
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