Well it's a very wealthy person making sure nothing is publicly available about her. So it's exactly like this in that respect.
Haway then, please explain the difference as it seems to me that you're saying that this is some meaningful arrangement and that using them for public addresses is beneath them somehow when actually it's pretty common. It just isn't evidence of something bigger. FPP have the deal they wanted all along, you know that, they've actually indirectly told you that from what you said about 'nothing changing'. The idea that Donald convinced them to do a deal on his terms and they gave in and did it as a compromise is farcical. If they wanted to buy the club and his price was too high, they'd have walked away. Simple. It wasn't. This is the deal they wanted.
It's really simple. At the time these 3 people weren't part of the club in any way according to some people, possibly yourself. The person you've mentioned is in a totally different position. The idea that FPP would rely on some SOL office worker bundling their mail into an envelope and sending it off to the USA is ludicrous.
But the principle is the same - if they registered FPP Ltd anywhere else, that address is known publicly and attached to them. Whether it's a friend's address, a virtual office or another premises, it's all less desirable than just using the SOL. Nothing comes from Companies House that SAFC would care about or not know about in advance.
I've explained what in the words afterwards. There is no privacy benefit to doing it elsewhere, and some privacy benefit to doing it at the SOL. Simple.
What lack of privacy would they be exposed to? And have you ever heard of this happening at any other club?
I've said a few times, not sure what you're playing at here. If they register any other address, it's immediately available publicly on companies house for every SAFC fan to see. You think people want their address known publicly? I think for the most part, where it's possible to avoid it, they don't. The SOL served a purpose in the same way that FPP ltd served a purpose. To do the deal they wanted to do.
So what? Why would 3 Americans registering another, of many, companies have anything to do with Sunderland supporters? Using the SOL didn't exactly keep it a secret did it? In any case it's not like they would use their home addresses. Using the SOL was absolutely guaranteed to raise the hysteria levels ... ... and it did.,
I’m clueless when it comes to finance etc, but, maybe they saw through Donald and his games and realised he hasn’t got a pot to piss in and the chances are he may default on the loan and then get the club as a whole for the loan amount. In my head that makes perfectly good sense but as I say, I’m clueless when it comes to financial ****e.
But I'm saying, there is no reason to use any address except the SOL, in fact it's the easiest and most private way. It wasn't a secret deal, I don't know why you've said that. Knowing that someone wants to do something, and knowing an address associated with them is different. And if you look these guys up, I'd guess based on how little is in the public domain, that privacy is a very important part of their lives.
It's far from impossible that it's exactly what will happen. People own football clubs for many reasons but usually either profit, kudos or enjoyment ... ... I doubt Donald will ever experience any of them.
I just think(probably more hope) that FPP have seen him for the chancer he is, called his bluff thinking there’s a good chance he’ll **** it up and they’ll just walk in a takeover the whole shebang.
Have you ever heard of this being done at any other club?? As which entity did they register a company at the SOL? Why would the owner of any business allow this, where's the benefit? What privacy did they achieve by using the SOL? Are you aware that people like these use solicitors addresses or proxy offices?
I am. In this case they used the SOL as a proxy office. They didn't need to keep a UK solicitor on retainer to use their office either. As for any other club, it's irrelevant. I've never looked into any other club to check that and neither have you I'd imagine? We are just inclined to view this as fans and pay more attention. What I'm saying is pretty simple though - this isn't some kind of evidence that they wanted to buy the club outright. It's evidence of them doing this deal. Again, nobody has yet given me any good reason to suggest that Donald somehow convinced 3 very wealthy Americans with plenty of business experience to do a deal that they didn't want to do. If they wanted to buy us outright and the price wasn't right, they'd have walked away and looked for one that was, or they'd have walked away and called his bluff exactly the way @wearside wanderer II said. What they wouldn't do (unless they're somehow terrible businessmen, which I don't believe for a second) is then agree to a totally different deal that could end up with zero benefit to them and be a waste of their time. That's why I believe they wanted to do a convertible loan and why Donald's account of that particular part of this stacks up with what happened.
A) They already have a London solicitor. B) You've ignore most of my questions. C) I'd bet you £100 now that no other club has allowed this, ever. It doesn't happen because it would look fishy. If I asked you to allow me to use your office as a business address you'd laugh ... so would anyone else.
But if you were offering to lend me £10m then I would, yes. If I trusted you had an outcome in mind that meshed with mine, of course I would. I do for my own investors, and FPP are offering something that could one day end up with a benefit to the club. Why not let them use it? As for the list, they're all covered above, except the one you added, which I've answered in this post Have you ever heard of this being done at any other club?? No, but neither of us have been interested enough to check that have we? As which entity did they register a company at the SOL? FPP Ltd. Why would the owner of any business allow this, where's the benefit? See first part of this post What privacy did they achieve by using the SOL? See umpteen previous posts Are you aware that people like these use solicitors addresses or proxy offices? See post before.
As I see it now after watching STID 2, Donald did see a chance to make some serious cash if Sunderland managed to get promoted, sadly this didn't happen and now he is touting the club around after his dream of the Dell boys hit the buffers. My worry is we will go from one money grabbing cancer to another. There is no doubt that with the infrastructure at SAFC the club could make someone some serious cash one day. But that will involve some substantial investment upfront. Donald simply isn't that man, he knows, we know it and the Dell boys know it. The whole thing is a mess, its never easy being a Sunderland fan
Tbh you're half answering what I'm asking then going off on long speculations on what I may or may not think. You keep going on about the big difference in privacy without explaining what it is. If FPP had used a different address no one would know it was anything to do with SAFC. Using the SOL gave them less 'privacy', not more.
