That's not correct. Testing alone does not stop the disease. As for testing and I guess you are talking about the Antigen test? That is not as important as a vaccine. I agree it can tell us who are infected and we can isolate however you can have a test on Monday, come back clear and can be infected by Tuesday. We don't have the capacity to test everyone every day. Agree this is something I don't understand either. utter rubbish. All deaths are recorded and I explained that this week citing official guidelines. You and others had never mentioned deaths outside those figures we get at the briefing. You have jumped on the bandwagon for political reasons. Your posts clearly show you have a problem with the government. As I said I will wait until after and we can look at the true facts and not jump the gun like young activists.
Some people can just see through bullshit clearer than others. I dont think anyone on here claims to be an expert. The closest we have is Beth. We have the right to question things that dont seem right hey
Test more people and you find out who has it earlier. Find out who has it earlier and you can treat milder symptoms quicker and keep a closer eye on vulnerable people you expect to develop severe symptoms. Do that and fewer people die. I’m not saying test everyone every day. I’m saying that having a lower rate of testing than Djibouti suggests something has gone badly wrong. Deaths are recorded but with fewer tests you’re asking doctors to make a call on a cause of death with little info. We’ve had a huge spike of allegedly non-CV deaths which will be difficult to explain away entirely. The collating of figures has been an issue for weeks. I do have a problem with the government as they’re clearly not very good at their jobs when you see the leadership displayed elsewhere. I have as much of a right to point that out as you do to cheerlead for the party you’re a member of.
I would have a problem with any government regardless of political allegiance whom had nurses wearing bin bags for PPE. Made promise after promise about getting PPE to everyone and still months on it's not happening. Releasing old people back into care homes from hospitals without even a test. The slow response to testing, the half hearted, slow response to locking down. The timeframe for financial help taking months. Yes I understand that this is unprecedented but we are apparantly weeks behind other countries so in a way certain aspects arent unprecedented. In my opinion the government have not done a good job, certainly it could have been better. It's easy to say that in hindsight but we had the benefit of seeing what was happening in other countries who are supposedly ahead of us.
Watford, the day before yesterday I was listening to an NHS doctor expert on tv who was explaining that some people get this disease worse than others (few) and all the technology/equipment won't save them. For some reason, healthy people with no underlying problems are dying. Forget all your political rubbish for a second and understand that the health experts are seeing some unusual deaths which they cannot explain yet. (as confirmed by every medical organisation). Your argument falls flat on its face here. In the same interview, they were discussing why BAME deaths are also high. They don't know that either. Now if you want to have a pop at the government then you could argue that they have not been quick enough to release this (BAME) information. Maybe this is for political reasons or they just don't want panic in certain communities. I don't know. As for your argument about figures and deaths registered... I would just say you have to trust them. Remember they are NHS staff sorting this information for the ONS... are you saying they are lying for a government to 'massage the figures'? TBH Watford your post should be on the 'conspiracy thread' mate. PS the rest of your post was just political waffle.
I watch the telly too. Over 50% of deaths are of the over 80s, and over 90% have an underlying health problem (cardiovascular, diabetes, respiratory). I am willing to bet that of the remaining 10% a large proportion have an undiagnosed underlying health condition which will never be diagnosed because they aren’t doing post-mortems. As for BAME I heard them skip around this subject nervously, without feeling able to say that these populations tend to have poorer overall health status and higher levels of poverty. This is not an egalitarian disease, the poor, the old and the already ill suffer most. So the cure is to eradicate poverty. A las barricadas!
I'm really beginning to wonder if the governments plan is to kill off as many elderly, sick/disabled as possible. Their actions certainly dont inspire confidence in thinking the opposite.
Great post and completely correct. Elders and people with comorbidities are by far the most at risk and account for the vast majority of deaths.....I would like to think any tv or sofa ‘expert’ would agree with that. However the death of a normally healthy (with possibly unknown health conditions) 20 year old gets the front page headline, as well as getting the ‘sofa’ experts excited.
