Coronavirus

[O'l Gravy Leg]

fanning the flames of blame and recrimination

Not really. If I was on the BBC I'd be doing that. If I was somehow on BBC, this is the last thing I'd be talking about.

Unless you think saying this to you lot is "fanning the flames".

Considering the consequences of Khan's actions is paid in full by healthcare workers and people who cant breathe, I think criticism is fair as it is in the context of London being overwhelmed.

 

[PINKIE]

Not so sure Nev, that place is going to see some terrible things over the next few months. I can't imagine after that it all being packed away and going back to hosting wedding shows and trade exhibits. Agree though, the Tories pledged new hospitals in the GE and this has shown they have to deliver on that promise.

They could always re-purpose it as a community hospital in the future, and take the strain off major hospitals who have to deal with bed blocking and outpatient appointments.

 

[PINKIE]

Not really. If I was on the BBC I'd be doing that. If I was somehow on BBC, this is the last thing I'd be talking about.

Unless you think saying this to you lot is "fanning the flames".

Considering the consequences of Khan's actions is paid in full by healthcare workers and people who cant breathe, I think criticism is fair as it is in the context of London being overwhelmed.

I was just quoting you re: fanning the flames.

The media talk, that's what they do and their sole reason to exist. But you know a lot of this is just noise, and that's what they are doing now.

No need to buy into the blame game. Everybody is trying to find their way through this.

 

[Treble]

They could always re-purpose it as a community hospital in the future, and take the strain off major hospitals who have to deal with bed blocking and outpatient appointments.

I know I haven't thought it through because I don't know who owns it, but I think with 4000 ppl going in (and more) many won't be coming out and I just think if we're looking at a thousand a day deaths then how many will that place see. I think the general consensus may change about it going back to being an events arena.

It also works for the government as they promised something like 30 new hospitals anyway.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

I know I haven't thought it through because I don't know who owns it, but I think with 4000 ppl going in (and more) many won't be coming out and I just think if we're looking at a thousand a day deaths then how many will that place see. I think the general consensus may change about it going back to being an events arena.

It also works for the government as they promised something like 30 new hospitals anyway.

You may well be right. It depends how willing and able people are to pigeon hole this whole situation and it's consequences once it is over. In a normal situation, London needs large exhibition space on the riverside to fulfill the purposes the Excel used to do. It's easy to say when none of my relatives or friends (so far) are in there, but I think ideally I would prefer to see any new hospitals being purpose built.

 

[PINKIE]

I know I haven't thought it through because I don't know who owns it, but I think with 4000 ppl going in (and more) many won't be coming out and I just think if we're looking at a thousand a day deaths then how many will that place see. I think the general consensus may change about it going back to being an events arena.

It also works for the government as they promised something like 30 new hospitals anyway.

Yep, keep it as a community hospital to treat all of the bunions and walking frame assessments

 

[Looney Leftie]

In London they are, in large part thanks to Khan and his "oh go on trains, you'll be fine, it's all good" advice a few weeks ago.
Then he cut the available trains in half, making sure the remaining ones were packed.

Nationwide, there is still capacity is there not?

That 22 million he spent on woke art a while back would have been better used by the NHS.

The people we elect are pieces of ****

They've just had a doctor at Gwent hospital saying his 13 bed icu is currently treating 25 patients who are all on ventilators.

They've had to take over all the operating theatres and the cardiology dept.

This isn't just London anymore.

 

[O'l Gravy Leg]

They've just had a doctor at Gwent hospital saying his 13 bed icu is currently treating 25 patients who are all on ventilators.

They've had to take over all the operating theatres and the cardiology dept.

This isn't just London anymore.

That's bad.
Not playing it down fyi, not at all.

 

[Looney Leftie]

That's bad.
Not playing it down fyi, not at all.

The most surprising thing he said was that all the patients are under 50.

This ties in with the newsnight story last night that showed evidence that elderly falling ill in care homes are no longer being taken into hospital in some areas.

 

[O'l Gravy Leg]

The most surprising thing he said was that all the patients are under 50.

This ties in with the newsnight story last night that showed evidence that elderly falling ill in care homes are no longer being taken into hospital in some areas.

****in hell

 

[Looney Leftie]

I've found the interview

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[O'l Gravy Leg]

The most surprising thing he said was that all the patients are under 50.

This ties in with the newsnight story last night that showed evidence that elderly falling ill in care homes are no longer being taken into hospital in some areas.

Its harder to kinda be so aware, as where I am because its currently nothing like what is going on there.

Almost all of my concern has been generated from being on here/online and I;m not someone whos a socialite, work tasks kids and fish or pets so the social distancing ect, makes almost no difference to me, nothing has changed.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

They've just had a doctor at Gwent hospital saying his 13 bed icu is currently treating 25 patients who are all on ventilators.

They've had to take over all the operating theatres and the cardiology dept.

This isn't just London anymore.

I had just finished watching that when I saw your post. You could see the heartbreak in his face when answering some of the questions

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Its harder to kinda be so aware, as where I am because its currently nothing like what is going on there.

Almost all of my concern has been generated from being on here/online and I;m not someone whos a socialite, work tasks kids and fish or pets so the social distancing ect, makes almost no difference to me, nothing has changed.

Apart from the news and online it isn't so different even being here. Unless we know somebody directly affected then we don't really have any grasp of how big it is.

I went out for a walk the other night and decided to buy milk from the local garage while I was out. Got to the garage and it was all cordoned off with police tape and two police cars on the forecourt. Usually the nextdoor app would be all over something like that with gossip but it didn't even get a mention. I don't think anyone round here even knows it happened as it isn't directly near anybody's house.

 

[Looney Leftie]

And this is the newsnight story

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[Joelinton's Right Foot]

And this is the newsnight story

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Again, that is absolutely heartbreaking. I would say though, and I speak as someone with a very close relative in a care home with dementia, that if it does come to a choice of who gets ventilators and hospital treatment then I would prefer it to go to someone younger and fitter. I don't say that lightly or coldly. I will be heartbroken if my relative gets infected and dies without seeing her again, especially knowing she doesn't understand why we are not there with her. One of the main reasons I think that is because I know she would have said exactly the same when she still had all of her faculties. It shouldn't be this way, but this is beyond anything the NHS and our social care system was designed to cope with. I'm a huge critic of the lack of funding of social care, especially in the council areas that have been hit by the biggest funding cuts, but I suspect that even without those cuts this would still have stretched things to the point where these decisions were having to be made.

 

[Diego]

Again, that is absolutely heartbreaking. I would say though, and I speak as someone with a very close relative in a care home with dementia, that if it does come to a choice of who gets ventilators and hospital treatment then I would prefer it to go to someone younger and fitter. I don't say that lightly or coldly. I will be heartbroken if my relative gets infected and dies without seeing her again, especially knowing she doesn't understand why we are not there with her. One of the main reasons I think that is because I know she would have said exactly the same when she still had all of her faculties. It shouldn't be this way, but this is beyond anything the NHS and our social care system was designed to cope with. I'm a huge critic of the lack of funding of social care, especially in the council areas that have been hit by the biggest funding cuts, but I suspect that even without those cuts this would still have stretched things to the point where these decisions were having to be made.

Sad as it is mate, that is what it comes down to. giving those with the best chance and quality of life priority, if we could save them all i feel sure that we would.
As it stands we can't even save all that have the best chance (nature of the virus not the fault of the medics).

 

[Toby]

Its harder to kinda be so aware, as where I am because its currently nothing like what is going on there.

Almost all of my concern has been generated from being on here/online and I;m not someone whos a socialite, work tasks kids and fish or pets so the social distancing ect, makes almost no difference to me, nothing has changed.

You mean you're someone that stays at home all day and watches alt-right youtube videos

I would never have ****ing guessed

 

[PINKIE]

Just to give some of the flip side to this. I know two neighbours locally to me who have had the virus (suspected as we have no tests) and who have recovered fairly painlessly, so it isn't a catastrophe for most. Although there are too many heartbreaking stories of course.

 

[Diego]

Just to give some of the flip side to this. I know two neighbours locally to me who have had the virus (suspected as we have no tests) and who have recovered fairly painlessly, so it isn't a catastrophe for most. Although there are too many heartbreaking stories of course.

My youngest daughter (a front line nurse in Wales) is just coming to the end of contagion. Neither her or her partner have had severe symptoms but have both said they felt shattered after simple things like preparing meals.
She is due/hoping to be declared fit to resume work on Monday as she feels she has been letting her team down by not being there.