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You might not, because I'm getting fed up with you using this thread as your political point scoring.
PMQs full of even Tory MPs despairing at simple things Boris could do right now to help people.
Presumably @brb and @Chief were screaming "stop criticising things are already as good as anyone could ever make them" at their TVs.
Greg Clark: "Instead of firms paying PAYE to the government, that flow should now be reversed with the nation paying the wages of people for the next weeks if, and only if, they continue to employ their staff.
Separate arrangements would need to be made for the self-employed, but at a stroke this would save people’s jobs, save businesses and put an immediate end to the risk of contagion and help save the economy."
Iain Duncan Smith: "There is something else the government can do, literally today. Universal credit has three basic levers which could all be pulled now enormously to help people who are in work. One, the taper could be lowered dramatically at this stage, which would push the floor right up underneath people in work at the moment, allowing them to fall back on that if government’s cannot deal with them.
Second, you could change the benefit rates allowing the greater expanse of money to flow to them. This could be done today.
The third areas is to look at the waiting time [for benefits] and reduce that almost immediately.
Those three things were always built into the flexibility. They can be done today, they can be delivered within days by the department that already has the ability to do that whilst he gets on with this other facility."
Presumably @brb and @Chief were screaming "stop criticising things are already as good as anyone could ever make them" at their TVs.
Greg Clark: "Instead of firms paying PAYE to the government, that flow should now be reversed with the nation paying the wages of people for the next weeks if, and only if, they continue to employ their staff.
Separate arrangements would need to be made for the self-employed, but at a stroke this would save people’s jobs, save businesses and put an immediate end to the risk of contagion and help save the economy."
Iain Duncan Smith: "There is something else the government can do, literally today. Universal credit has three basic levers which could all be pulled now enormously to help people who are in work. One, the taper could be lowered dramatically at this stage, which would push the floor right up underneath people in work at the moment, allowing them to fall back on that if government’s cannot deal with them.
Second, you could change the benefit rates allowing the greater expanse of money to flow to them. This could be done today.
The third areas is to look at the waiting time [for benefits] and reduce that almost immediately.
Those three things were always built into the flexibility. They can be done today, they can be delivered within days by the department that already has the ability to do that whilst he gets on with this other facility."
I could play the same game and talk about the evidence I have from my sister who runs the operating theatres at a large hospital and is frantically cancelling operations and trying to find enough staff for the anticipated rush or the specialist who has just told my mum her operation may have to wait longer.
But there is no point, it's just hearsay and not evidence.
Last week the government said they were expecting a peak 14 weeks time and that washing your hands would be enough to keep this under control. Do you think the tone this week matches that relaxed view?
What about last Thursday when Europe was stopping all large events and we held the Cheltenham festival?
There is a reason why germany have identified 12000 cases to our 2600 and we have 104 deaths to their 28. They have actively traced cases and prevented the spread while we have decided to let it loose and can't put it back in the bottle. I'd rather follow that than the route Italy and Spain have already shown is possible.
You've apportioned a quote to me and I didn't actually say anything remotely like that.
In any case, the day I take anything you state on board, or as in anyway factual, is the day I end it all.
i was referring to the with measures being taken in a hurry and everyone trying to work out what exactly it will mean and bolded a bit far back but i stand by the assumption all Govts are introducing measures in a hurry leaving everyone to work out what it means ..
You said evidence, I never said it was evidence.
That's why i put quote marks round it.
Just so you know and it's clear.
The bit in bold was the first approach. At no point did they say that alone would be sufficient to keep this under control.
Is making stuff up a thing you do a lot in your spare time as well?
From the BBC...
Zero prospect’ of London lockdown
There is "zero prospect of any restrictions being placed on travelling in and out of London”, the UK government has said.
A spokesperson said there were also “no plans to use military personnel for public order during the coronavirus pandemic”.
Asked to comment on the suggestion only one person would be allowed to leave a house at a time, Downing Street said this was "not true”, according to BBC political correspondent Chris Mason.
It comes after speculation London could face a lockdown by the weekend.
Zero prospect’ of London lockdown
There is "zero prospect of any restrictions being placed on travelling in and out of London”, the UK government has said.
A spokesperson said there were also “no plans to use military personnel for public order during the coronavirus pandemic”.
Asked to comment on the suggestion only one person would be allowed to leave a house at a time, Downing Street said this was "not true”, according to BBC political correspondent Chris Mason.
It comes after speculation London could face a lockdown by the weekend.
You said evidence, I never said it was evidence.
That's why i put quote marks round it.
Just so you know and it's clear.
The bit in bold was the first approach. At no point did they say that alone would be sufficient to keep this under control.
Is making stuff up a thing you do a lot in your spare time as well?
Nothing has been made up.
So far all you've offered is hearsay and I was making that clear.
The first approach was herd immunity. Which has been utterly discredited as a means of controlling this epidemic, Mat Hancock had to admit on the Sunday that the statement on the Thursday was false. As the research makes clear the governments original plans were not a stepping stone, they were based on a wholly inaccurate assumption. Monday wasnt an evolution of plans, it was a total reset.
Thursday 12th March - Wash your hands, if you are ill stay home for 7 days, no banning of sports and large events, the most dangerous period is weeks away, in the next fewv weeks we may need to ask everyone in a family to stay home if someone is ill.
Monday 16th March - Stay home if you can, stay away from each other , lock up your grannys for 12 weeks, close down the whole social entertainment industry. Don't go out unless you have to, if one is ill everyone stay in for 14 days. The most dangerous period is here.
These are references directly from the Prime ministers speeches on those days
Interested to know, do you actually want us to go into lockdown?
(and that therefore the government statement on this is 'wrong')
I made it clear you have no evidence.You made up the idea i used anything as evidence.
Didn't read the rest.
Which is something we appear to agree on.
Dear God
I pray that all the panic buyers get COVID 19 so that they can use their stock
Amen
I pray that all the panic buyers get COVID 19 so that they can use their stock
Amen
I don't 'want' us to go into lockdown but I can see it may be necessary if people continue to be stupid.
Ok, thanks.
It probably will be at some point, yes. Was just wondering if you think we should now, because other countries have.
Next time you want to argue that you are right you might want to have some
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