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I don't think that at times of national crisis it's appropriate for the PM to either have a holiday or not be seen in public for several days at a time. I'd imagine his disappearing acts at key moments are unprecedented for a PM of this country.


I didn't realise he'd gone on holiday, thanks for letting me know.
 
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I didn't realise he'd gone on holiday, thanks for letting me know.
He had two in the first two months after he won the election on 12th December. I don't think that's standard for anyone in a new job. I don't think he was on holiday when all this was kicking off, he just chose not to appear in public for a few days in case anyone asked him an awkward question.
 
He had two in the first two months after he won the election on 12th December. I don't think that's standard for anyone in a new job. I don't think he was on holiday when all this was kicking off, he just chose not to appear in public for a few days in case anyone asked him an awkward question.

Look, the man is an arse.

However, this last week it has been dealt with in a clear and reasoned manner and is continuing down that route. I don't agree he looks bored, doesn't care, or disinterested though. That's where I disagree.

The fact he's Tory is, to me, irrelevant right now.
 
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Look, the man is an arse.

However, this last week it has been dealt with in a clear and reasoned manner and is continuing down that route. I don't agree he looks bored, doesn't care, or disinterested though. That's where I disagree.

The fact he's Tory is, to me, irrelevant right now.

Clear and reasoned?

This government have been playing catch up on the rest of the world, ignoring the lessons learned elsewhere and failing to make use of the information provided by the World Health organisation.

It's an utter shambles, almost everything said last thursday has had to be reversed since.

The result is people were given a false sense of security and the **** has hit the fan.

The reason the pound collapsed yesterday is because those looking in are utterly unconvinced by the actions of the UK government.
 
Look, the man is an arse.

However, this last week it has been dealt with in a clear and reasoned manner and is continuing down that route. I don't agree he looks bored, doesn't care, or disinterested though. That's where I disagree.

The fact he's Tory is, to me, irrelevant right now.

I think I broadly agree. They were lax at first IMO and that will ultimately cost lives but I don’t doubt even Johnson is doing his best now and listening to the adults in the room. This doesn’t excuse his conduct in the past and if I could swap him for someone else I would but by his standards he’s stepping up.

I think he’s a wholly inappropriate PM and wouldn’t trust him to run a sweet shop but he’s the only one we have.
 
So, because our approach is different to another country it's wrong?

Ok then.

When the approach was based on flu and the rest of the world was using data on corona virus then yes it is wrong.
As highlighted by the research published monday that showed the UK appraoch would overwhelm the NHS eight times over and kill 250,000 people.

That is why the rush to switch to the tactics others are using.
 
When the approach was based on flu and the rest of the world was using data on corona virus then yes it is wrong.
As highlighted by the research published monday that showed the UK appraoch would overwhelm the NHS eight times over and kill 250,000 people.

That is why the rush to switch to the tactics others are using.

Only after the massive public and media outcry against Boris' plans

But now you, @Chief , think he's suddenly achieved enlightenment and everyone can stop criticising him?
 
This argument from the government that the science changed is utter bollocks.

The science was already well known and being shared by the rest of the world. Our government just thought it knew better and we will pay the price. Failing to track the virus and allowing it to spread through the community in the same way as Wuhan, Iran and Northern italy is a dereliction of public duty that looks like killing thousands uneccessarily.
 
So, because our approach is different to another country it's wrong?

Ok then.

Day 1 they said they're following the science and dont need to do anything until the right time to lower the curve.

Day 5: oh **** dont go anywhere

Suggests day 1 was wrong
 
When the approach was based on flu and the rest of the world was using data on corona virus then yes it is wrong.
As highlighted by the research published monday that showed the UK appraoch would overwhelm the NHS eight times over and kill 250,000 people.

That is why the rush to switch to the tactics others are using.

Don't agree at all, the mass hysteria was based on misinformation when it all first came out. The 250,000 deaths has been competently refuted since and the approach then and now is/was to manage the peak and keep the strain off the NHS.

If we'd all have ran indoors and hidden, we'd have emerged and the huge peak will still have happened.

This flattens it.
 
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Day 1 they said they're following the science and dont need to do anything until the right time to lower the curve.

Day 5: oh **** dont go anywhere

Suggests day 1 was wrong

And they are still not following the science

The science says use protective equipment and test as many as possible

Doctors are working without protective equipment and tests
 
This argument from the government that the science changed is utter bollocks.

The science was already well known and being shared by the rest of the world. Our government just thought it knew better and we will pay the price. Failing to track the virus and allowing it to spread through the community in the same way as Wuhan, Iran and Northern italy is a dereliction of public duty that looks like killing thousands uneccessarily.


So, there's going to be 250,000 deaths then, right?

We'll see, eh?
 
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Don't agree at all, the mass hysteria was based on misinformation when it all first came out. The 250,000 deaths has been competently refuted since and the approach then and now is/was to manage the peak and keep the strain off the NHS.

If we'd all have ran indoors and hidden, we'd have emerged and the huge peak will still have happened.

This flattens it.

Take a look at the actual science
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Do nothing - Up to 500,000 die
Governments plan last week - Up to 250,000 die
Governments plan on Tuesday - Up to 120,000 die
Governments plan from next Monday - up to 44,000 die.

Managing the peak without social distancing and home quarantine was never possible. The WHO actually recommend those infected are kept separate from others due to how infectious this thing is.
 
And they are still not following the science

The science says use protective equipment and test as many as possible

Doctors are working without protective equipment and tests

Says the man that thinks the football season should be completed as soon has possible <whistle> [HASHTAG]#Liverpool[/HASHTAG]

Have you ever made a positive contribution, if so please point me to it.
 
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