Off Topic Politics Thread

[StJabbo1]

Fair enough although I’m not sure it’s meat on the bones. Engineering industry, Car industry, specialised computer industry which I take is technical side of engineering, textiles and a couple of others I’m not sure of. I want to make it plain it’s not me that thinks that it is just people I discuss things with.

Thanks Beddy. I think it's true to say for most on here, certainly in my experience, that the majority in those professions and across the board would strongly disagree with idea of a disintegrating EU. Is it a majority of your chums that feel that way?

 

[aberdude]

Actually yes I do...........that was the thinking and reasons the people went to war. I’m not going get into a discussion on the rights or wrongs of any wars. Accept to say without them we possibly wouldn’t have the freedom we have today.

Life is so simplistic hey.....if only your delusion was true....... My-your freedom consists of a government who have us under mass surveillance, no free speech and supply us not with truths but propagandist agenda's written by people who pull the strings off the puppets you vote in.

I won't go into the funding of wars and where it comes from....... But I'll give you a clue it isn't coming from a man that lives in a cave in Afghanistan

 

[StJabbo1]

mmm..........I’m not so sure..........there is quite a few countries thinking of going the same route I’m told. No mention of who I agree, Austria perhaps and may be the Netherlands is another to name a couple of rumours going about. No I don’t have any proof.........just speculation from friends........

I'm in the Netherlands Bedster and that sort of speculation maybe not by the lunatic fringe but certainly close to it.

 

[Archers Road]

I'm in the Netherlands Bedster and that sort of speculation maybe not by the lunatic fringe but certainly close to it.

Meanwhile mate, back in Blighty, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

All that's soon to be overshadowed by world events though. Australia is actually on fire ffs.

 

[StJabbo1]

Things have changed these days Beddy. There was never the threat of mass species extinction or an overheating planet when I was younger, like there is today. With the ability of young people to find out information today and for them to fully understand the implications of what their future is looking like, they are not interested in fighting for a stupid bloody flag.

On a lighter note, this is how ridiculous 'fighting for the flag' really is so do watch it and have a giggle .....

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In the sixties at the height of the cold war the MAD possibility put the ****s up me, I had to go to great lengths to calm my troubled soul.

 

[StJabbo1]

Meanwhile mate, back in Blighty, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

All that's soon to be overshadowed by world events though. Australia is actually on fire ffs.

No apologies for sticking this here.

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[Kaito]

In the sixties at the height of the cold war the MAD possibility put the ****s up me, I had to go to great lengths to calm my troubled soul.

Yes it was a truly scary time and those government pamphlets and films made it even worse. There was a lot of fear and anger in those days that the politicians could blow us all up at any moment.

I remember going on quite a few CND marches in London with my uncle John and my aunt Sue who believed there was a better way than war and destruction. They are now getting quite old but they have never changed their values and are still involved with grass roots community work and local politics.

I liked your post because I know exactly how you felt, not for why you felt it.

 

[StJabbo1]

Yes it was a truly scary time and those government pamphlets and films made it even worse. There was a lot of fear and anger in those days that the politicians could blow us all up at any moment.

I remember going on quite a few CND marches in London with my uncle John and my aunt Sue who believed there was a better way than war and destruction. They are now getting quite old but they have never changed their values and are still involved with grass roots community work and local politics.

I liked your post because I know exactly how you felt, not for why you felt it.

I was on a lot of those marches and rallies had some confrontations with authority, no respect from me unless earnt, no deference to age or position it was put up or shut up, piss or get off the pot.

 

[tiggermaster]

There is little doubt that Brexit has the potential to be part of a process that 'helps ' destabilize Europe if the rise in nationalism is repeated in nation states. There are signs that this is possible. If the financial cycle brings a deep recession. If the middle east volatility leads to an increase in refugees, then it seems to me those in Western Europe who are still enjoying the diminishing fruits of historical colonial exploitation could pull up the metaphorical drawbridges. Add the issue of global warming, the literally burning issue being comprehensively down played by most democratically elected leaders because the consequences of effective action might have unpopular short term 'democratic issues ', then the potential for destabilising, not to mention chaos, seems quite likely. There are a few 'ifs ' in the above scenario, but would suggest it is realism rather than pessimism. C O Y R s.

 

[Beddy]

So London "pea soupers" were just scotch mist then?

Of course it wasn’t. Once they had decided that coal fires were the sole cause. (As they thought at the time) Things improved...... As technology improved so did the understanding of pollution in the atmosphere. Not all of what we understand today was known.

 

[Beddy]

Thanks Beddy. I think it's true to say for most on here, certainly in my experience, that the majority in those professions and across the board would strongly disagree with idea of a disintegrating EU. Is it a majority of your chums that feel that way?

Good lord no...........I haven’t spoken to all my friends and acquaintances. I was surprised by their comments from the ones I had is all.

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

Yes it was a truly scary time and those government pamphlets and films made it even worse. There was a lot of fear and anger in those days that the politicians could blow us all up at any moment.

I remember going on quite a few CND marches in London with my uncle John and my aunt Sue who believed there was a better way than war and destruction. They are now getting quite old but they have never changed their values and are still involved with grass roots community work and local politics.

I liked your post because I know exactly how you felt, not for why you felt it.

It was still pretty scary into the 80s to be fair. My teenage years were filled with cold War rhetoric and imagery, and I really connected with the album "Red Skies over paradise" by Fischer-Z" (1981, probably one of the most played bits of vinyl I've ever owned)
The lyrics below are from the title track

"Down in their bunkers under the sea.
Men pressing buttons don't care about me.

There's lots of sand on the cellar floor.
We went down there for the night.
The barricades that my brother made keeps out the light.
Out in the park children were playing.
Though it was dark the sky glowed red.
People were stunned, everyone's waiting.
Nobody knew why... But they know it now.

Down in their bunkers under the sea.
Men pressing buttons don't care about me."

It was as true then as it is now, and I've never been deluded enough to think that any of the governments of the country I live in actually gave 2 ****s about me.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Unfortunately, all of the world's most peaceful societies have been built on the the blood of others.

The last few decades have been a unique point in human history where violence isn't the first response to any situation. But it seems like societies inner animl nature can't be contained for too long...

 

[VocalMinority]

Unfortunately, all of the world's most peaceful societies have been built on the the blood of others.

The last few decades have been a unique point in human history where violence isn't the first response to any situation. But it seems like societies inner animl nature can't be contained for too long...

Thats mostly been in a bubble in the EU and North America.

South and central america, Africa and Asia have seen plenty of fighting. Even in Europe, Ukraine and the Balkans have seen their share.

 

[Farked19]

My primary school was directly opposite a council depot where the air raid siren was kept. Occasionally it would be tested. That was fun at the time of the Cuba missile crisis when several of the dopier kids thought the end was nigh.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Thats mostly been in a bubble in the EU and North America.

South and central america, Africa and Asia have seen plenty of fighting. Even in Europe, Ukraine and the Balkans have seen their share.

I was talking about our bubble. I've really enjoyed it, while its lasted .

This sums it up nicely:

"If I have one message to give to the secular American people, it’s that the world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don’t know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly.

The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you.

And our governments are very much the same."

-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi

 

[TheSecondStain]

I was talking about our bubble. I've really enjoyed it, while its lasted .

This sums it up nicely:

"If I have one message to give to the secular American people, it’s that the world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don’t know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly.

The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you.

And our governments are very much the same."

-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi

Wow. That ought to be taught to older people, who have grown set in their ways.

 

[Kaito]

I wonder if this 'error' would have been 'discovered' if there hadn't been such a **** storm over it? No, of course it wouldn't. The first salvo against the climate activists by the establishment. A completely ridiculous state of affairs .....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...emist-ideology-police-prevent-scheme-guidance

 

[tiggermaster]

Tragic..

 

[aberdude]

I wonder if this 'error' would have been 'discovered' if there hadn't been such a **** storm over it? No, of course it wouldn't. The first salvo against the climate activists by the establishment. A completely ridiculous state of affairs .....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...emist-ideology-police-prevent-scheme-guidance

how many freedoms does the government think we should lose on the basis of terror.........I can tell you I aint afraid of no man from muslim backgrounds but I am afraid of having the same government that George gave us in the book 1984.

know your enemy

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