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Look at Hull......you put a red rosette on a monkey and hull will vote for it. (That was not another Dianne Abbott joke).
 
So looking on the bright side it's not a hung parliament. A big majority so even has room for a few rebels who may not tow the party line. A chance to get stuff done, will it be the right stuff? TWT.

Not sure why some are thinking we are stuck with the Torys for ever. If things go as bad as some suggest they will, they will be out at the next general election.

Despite all the talk about the media steering the vote or people not knowing what they were voting for, it seems like people do know and are not so easily steered.
 
Brexit-supporting parties got 48% of the vote, yes that means overwhelming support for Brexit.
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As City Man said its time to go to work. The class struggle continues, whatever the result and whatever happens in the Labour Party. The sell-off of the NHS isn't inevitable, all it takes is organisation and a determination to fight.

Johnson has his majority and the same problem he had when he campaigned for a no vote. How to persuade the EU to give him a free trade deal which undermines their whole reason for existing. Johnson's an pragmatic opportunist and I think he will fail. Any deal will be closer to remaining in the single market than setting sail into the wide blue yonder. Its why the pound rose so sharply when they knew what the exit polls said.
 
It'll never be a piece of piss because the Tory /establishment owned media will continue to look after their own interests and manipulate any vote.
Labours only chance is to choose a Tory/Blairesq leader who the media//business world/ allow.
Problem is that's nothing to do with Labour's values and does nothing to challenge this perverse establishmentism.


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Never said it would be , I said it should be. Point being if labour don’t take a long hard look at themselves, after a piss poor performance against a unpopular government that have held us in austerity for eight years and more, they’re £@@ked. Already blaming it solely on Brexit . [HASHTAG]#delusional[/HASHTAG]
 
Difficult question. I think the whole Brexit thing would have been simpler if MPs of all parties hadn’t ignored what people wanted (and which some are paying for now) which weakened our hand, If we hadn’t gold plated EU regulations, doing more than they required whilst other countries like France ignored what didn’t suit them, and ignoring ones like being able to send people home who come with no job and still don’t have one after 3 months.
I remember going on holiday toGermany with my parents in 1963, only 18 years after the war a short time span as you get older. We went to Hamburg and Bremen which had been flattened in the war. Booming, with bright lights everywhere bars open until 3 and 4 in the morning, a lot of which I could go in with them, having sailed from
Hull where it was dark and shut down by 11pm. De Gaulle had just said NON! again to us joining thevEEC.My dad bought a British paper from a newsstand and looking down a road in Bremen , full of gleaming shop fronts and streams of Mercs ( BMWs were a lower class car in those days) said to my mother “ We’ve missed the boat. By the time we get in it will be all carved up and we’ll miss out”. As I said previously, my dad, who I spent all of the 60s and much of the 70s telling how wrong he was and how much better things would be when we were running things, like Mark Twain’s dad, became wiser as I got older. I remember in the 1960s when Wilson was PM telling him when my generation was running things it would be better. He took umbrage at being classed with Wilson, who he couldn’t stand. Of course it came to pass when we had a PM of my generation, John Major. Sorry dad...

BRD - in 1963? Sounds fascinating.

It well and truly buries Remain obviously.

I think the WDA will pass asap and I think they will be a high of chance of a No Deal Brexit by year end. Trump wants us out with no deal and I think there is now a growing appetite for such in the ruling party.

Plus, with numbers like this - who can stop them?
 
I get that people don’t like Corbyn, but what I honestly don’t get is that people think Johnson is better. He lies, he misleads, he’s evasive - his former boss Max Hastings is pretty damning.

he does have that superficial charm thing I suppose - it’s very depressing that people fall for it. He’s like that idiot at work that spends all his time chatting up the women and sucking up to the bosses but actually does very little work, and the little he does actually do is ****e and has to be redone by someone else.

if I’m trying to be positive after three hours of swearing at the telly, at least we’ll know what impact Brexit has next year, and we can start trying to deal with it. I have faith in this country as a hard working and innovative nation, we’ll try and make the best of a bad job, providing the government don’t cock it up completely. I still worry for the sick, the disabled, the old & vulnerable though.
I think people not wanting to vote for a Marxist racist who supported terrorists who wanted to disband NATO and wasn’t prepared to defend his country might have had something to do with it.
 
Never said it would be , I said it should be. Point being if labour don’t take a long hard look at themselves, after a piss poor performance against a unpopular government that have held us in austerity for eight years and more, they’re £@@ked. Already blaming it solely on Brexit . [HASHTAG]#delusional[/HASHTAG]
It was Corbyn, and the Labour party know that. The election of a new leader is complicated and it will take time.
 
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This new majority government have a bigger task than just Brexit, the NHS, schooling etc and not least a constant door knocking on Scottish independency. They have to make a commitment to the people who turned blue red, not just in marginals but in forever red constituencies. Whilst they have got what they wanted which will allow them to negotiate Brexit, if that Brexit doesn't represent what people signed up for in voting leave and they do continue to not recognise the massive disparity region to region and address it, that colour swing will happen again, especially with an opposition party re-aligning itself. Is Boris up for it, can he surround himself with people who can get the job done?
 
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Brexit-supporting parties got 48% of the vote, yes that means overwhelming support for Brexit.
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Haven't seen all of the data yet, but in a peverse way, how many Labour seats did the Brexit Party actually save for Labour?

From my first look, arguably a fair few by splitting the Brexit vote.
 
It was Corbyn, and the Labour party know that. The election of a new leader is complicated and it will take time.

corbyn was never the right man, casting my mind back to his appointment I believe Labour Party £3 membership went through the roof due to Tory supporters joining so they could vote him in. Speaks volumes, they’ve definitely played the long game.
 
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So some claim it was the bias of the media that got the Party who want to take us out of the EU elected, but now the BBC are pushing the line that only 48% of voters backed a leave party suggesting the country as a whole wants to remain. I think they just like to be provocative and **** stir.
 
So some claim it was the bias of the media that got the Party who want to take us out of the EU elected, but now the BBC are pushing the line that only 48% of voters backed a leave party suggesting the country as a whole wants to remain. I think they just like to be provocative and **** stir.

If that's their line, then they're desperately trying to win a bit of liberal favour back after a shocking electoral campaign from the BBC.

Remain is finished for a generation at least. It's now just how we leave.
 
For those who understand this waaaay better than me. What effect did the agreement made between the Conservatives and Farage have?...
 
For those who understand this waaaay better than me. What effect did the agreement made between the Conservatives and Farage have?...

Not seen full data yet but:

The main positive for Conservatives was to not split the Brexit vote in Tory held seats.

However, from I have seen, the Brexit Party arguably helped save some Labour held seats by splitting the Brexit vote.

Essentially, Farage's party were seemingly useless in terms of helping Brexit.

But, would need a deeper analysis to confirm those assumptions.
 
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