Off Topic General Election Special

Jeremy Corbyn's wife 'Laura Alvarez' is quite the socialist too!! Her lucrative little 'fair trade coffee business isn't quite as fair as it's made out to be.

 

A fair question Ric. And this substance behind claims people were making/repeating is what I was driving at yesterday.

I always check the evidence - multiple sources and check where those sources are coming from. Question, question, question.

 

the main difference between the two parties is the Tories want people at the bottom of the ladder to climb up and Labour want the people at the top of the ladder to fall down - and that's it in a nutshell

 

Wait a second - you're no longer blocked?

But that means...

 

I ain't got the time mate. Other than to say its people who pretend to be socialists, but in reality have loads of dough, have never been on the breadline, had to apply for benefits or live in a council house on some rat infested estate with no amenities and little hope. But still pretend to be 'right on' with the people. But usually end up shafting them and ****ting on them from a great height. Oh and are usually 'career politicians' and public school, then Oxford/Cambridge educated.

 

There are a lot of what ifs etc. But the Lib Dems poor performance perhaps suggests there isn't the mass appetite for Centrism (including is right and left) as people may think.

A Johnson Labour Party would be 100% Remain. I think it would bomb in Leave areas (as it is now to some extent).

 

Seems like one or two got upset with my earlier comments, as I said gut feeling and life experience. I look at my parents, me Dad was a lorry driver, never a day off, still in reasonable health in his mid 80's. But still taken out 20 years of pension at todays rate not the 1pound 6schillings and 6pence a week he paid in in the 1950's 60's and 70's
Me Mam mainly part time shop work and cleaning type stuff, not sure if she would have paid anything into the system on such a small wage. On the other side had so much from the NHS I can't imaging the cost oh and 25 years of pension.

Ah but I hear you shout it's the workers today that pay todays pensions. So back then Less population which means Less pensioners today, but even with our new increased population and the lowest unemployment rate the country is still short of money. So is the answer to bring in more workers? Looks like an expanding balloon about to burst to me.

Something doesn't add up and according to a graph someone posted a page or to back it's getting near to 2 Trillion in the red. And another oh, roads, rails, schools, hospitals are falling to bits so we didn't spend the money there. But we need to.

 

I'm out 'on tag' but can only post during daylight hours.

 

Fair point.

 

John Curtice release a interesting study which concluded that Labour is now the party of the young, not the party of the working class.

 

Leon got deblocked yesterday evening.
No need to hide behind your sofa, you know who is not back on here yet, or is he?

 

Yes very fair points .
Even Starmer would have Labour in a good position at the minute .
The media generally put whatever government into power and one thing they are not going to allow us Jezzer to get in.

 

Not commenting on competence in anyway, but I used to love Blair v Howard PMQs.

 

<<<<< over 60 and not a Tory nor a Brexiteer.

 

Sir Keir Starmer another example of a champagne socialist...False as £uck.
I do like the Alan Johnson connection. Never met him, but know people who did, and said he was a top geezer. Shame he never led the party.

 

Oh the joyous thought of such a return .

 

To put it bluntly there is an unfortunate truth in that.

Some quick reasons:

Neoliberalism - working class felt let down by New Labour.
False consciousness
Relentless media campaign, pretty much since mid New Labour

 

<<40 & Con.

 

So if you have more than a couple of pence to rub together you have to vote Tory do you ??
Is a social conscience not allowed or is your world completely binary ??